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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Why shouldn't they, Your Star? It's trending in many other nations. Besides, it's hate speech and indoctrination. Let the government help teach the kids in the public schools.

    We don't need churches anymore. We've clearly progressed further than you. NoW we wait for the others.
    Pretty bold statement, most of America disagrees
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    There are also a lot of churches with predominantly one race, like black/white/etc. Such social segregation must be stopped and regulated. Let the government fix it. If churches can't get with government's flow, penalize them. Or only white churches..

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Should churches be defunded? If I recall they believe, iirc, taxpayer money. Or do they pay no taxes?

    Isn't it also true that churches, especially large churches, are run like businesses? Tax it. Iirc, I once saw a church worker bring a wheelbarrow down the aisle for tithes. This is true.

    These pseudo-businesses require tithes up to 10%. Perhaps catholicism can be an exception because it's a donation system.

    Do you think the government should regulate preaching, like monitoring for hate speech against homosexuals and prostitutes? Should churches be entirely defended? Taxed? Or the tithe system abolished?

    Should they be dealt with?
    I think the First Amendment is clear enough that the government cannot regulate religious practices. However, IMO, they should be treated the same as other nonprofit organizations tax-wise, and those that are conducted for profit should not receive any favorable government treatment.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Why shouldn't government regulate churches? After all, is it not bigotry and hatred of the worst kind? If not now then assuredly later when the idea becomes more popular. Why should people care about a 200-year-old piece of paper? Obviously it keeps being changed so let's continue changing it, amirite?
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Why shouldn't government regulate churches? After all, is it not bigotry and hatred of the worst kind? If not now then assuredly later when the idea becomes more popular. Why should people care about a 200-year-old piece of paper? Obviously it keeps being changed so let's continue changing it, amirite?
    The government has, in prior centuries, used religion to justify all sorts of stuff.
    It's sorta like brainwashing because the clergy tends to go along with it.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Why shouldn't government regulate churches?
    For the same reasons churches should not be involved in government or have laws based on religion.

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    After all, is it not bigotry and hatred of the worst kind?
    In some cases yes, but you have that with any large group. Your statement is a gross misrepresentation of what the majority of churches promote in this country.

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    If not now then assuredly later when the idea becomes more popular. Why should people care about a 200-year-old piece of paper? Obviously it keeps being changed so let's continue changing it, amirite?
    No.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    I agree with the regulation of religious institutions ONLY in countries where secterianism and religious extremism is a big problem. The US is no such country, however, if i lived in a Muslim majority nation i would think that the appointment of imams by the state as imperative for combating extremism and if i was in an African country i probably would regulate the Church, depending on what country.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    This is for people that think taxes have no power to destroy...

    In 1819, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that the power to tax involves the power to destroy. That statement remains true today. But when the power to tax is abused, as it was in La Paz County, then we can see the Supreme Court’s statement come into sharp focus. The Church of the Isaiah 58 Project stands in real danger of destruction by an abuse of the power to tax. - The Power to Tax is the Power to Destroy – Especially When the Power to Tax is Abused |
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    The churches most affected would be the smaller minority churches that have the largest outreach type programs for minority's. Taxing them would put the majority of them out into the streets as they already operate on a shoe string budget.

    Taxing religious institutions or regulating them is NOT that answer to anything. What Wake is suggesting is not just regulation. What he is suggesting is the state controlling every aspect of religion by the state including taxes etc. In essence he wants to reinstate the Church of England here in the US.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

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    I can see why promulgating crazy nonsense might get you a padded room, I don't see any reason why it should disqualify one from paying taxes.
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