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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    1) your questions are not deep

    2) you avoid answering my questions. Why?

    3) Who are you quoting and where are the quotes from in the comments you put in quotation marks?
    Then what is depth, Redress?

    Instead of having a discussion with a discussion, wouldn't it be more practical to a specific thread or a pm discussion about it? That way I won't have to keep explaining my philosophical way of gaining understanding from the perspectives and beliefs of others.

    I made those quotes. I was hinting at my Sig statement when you asked.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Yeah, but Jeffery Dahmer was gay. Doesn't mean all homosexuals are mass murderers.
    yeah but we already tax gays.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Should churches be defunded? If I recall they believe, iirc, taxpayer money. Or do they pay no taxes?

    Isn't it also true that churches, especially large churches, are run like businesses? Tax it. Iirc, I once saw a church worker bring a wheelbarrow down the aisle for tithes. This is true.

    These pseudo-businesses require tithes up to 10%. Perhaps catholicism can be an exception because it's a donation system.

    Do you think the government should regulate preaching, like monitoring for hate speech against homosexuals and prostitutes? Should churches be entirely defended? Taxed? Or the tithe system abolished?

    Should they be dealt with?
    A lot of these mega-churches openly flaunt the fact that they tell their congregations how to vote. Churches consistently put themselves in a middle of a debate, as if their religious opinions matters squat on political matters.

    F that.

    Remove all churches tax-free statuses. You wanna get into politics? Pay to play suckas. Now put up the cash or shut your ass.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    the only churches I have seen that have consistently been used as political platforms are black churches.

    and Churches have every right to tell their members anything they want to - their tax status is not based on their opinions (that would be a violation of the Constitution), but rather on their charitable work.

    if it makes ya'll feel any better - pastors get double taxed. My father, for example, has to pay the individual and the employer match of the FICA tax; meaning he is paying out over 15% of his income before he even gets to the income tax portion.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Thousands of people are suckered into forming over millions of dollars. It's ludicrous that pastors work over the crowds and live lavishly. Ever noticed how a lot of "humble" pastors live? Expensive cars, clothes, suits?

    Think about it.
    Misunderstanding: the "church" is tax exempt. Employees salaries (same with ALL 501(c)(3)s) are not. Falwell, Robertson and all the other rip-off preachers have to pay taxes on their income. Their ministries (giving dolls to poor kids in Haiti, or whatever) are not taxed.

    It is as it should be. Despite the fact that I find most of their messages to be way to overtly political. Those who cross the direct line of supporting parties or candidates should be investigated however. And those occur on both sides of the political aisle.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    I can see why promulgating crazy nonsense might get you a padded room, I don't see any reason why it should disqualify one from paying taxes.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's fine the way it is. I mean, they don't really pay taxes (well not property taxes anyway), not sure if clergy income is taxable or not. Maybe you can change one or two things in the tax code.
    I used to manage maintenance at a very large church. To avoid taxes the clergymen had his lavish home built on the extensive church grounds. Had his personal vehicle under "church use" and all his groceries and utilities were part of "church functions and usage" so he only needed to claim only a tiny income yet lived much better then your average American.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    They aren't forcing anyone to give them money.

    I believe churches should be tax exempt for one reason, and one reason only. So the government can't phase out an unpopular religion(or all religion) by taxing it to death.
    The power to tax is the power to destroy....

    And most churches are not nearly as well funded as those mega churches and many churches do a LOT of charity work in their communities...
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Why shouldn't they, Your Star? It's trending in many other nations. Besides, it's hate speech and indoctrination. Let the government help teach the kids in the public schools.

    We don't need churches anymore. We've clearly progressed further than you. NoW we wait for the others.
    Wow!! You should move to China with that attitude...
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    I'm not a fan of tax exemption for churches and religion.
    It forces the government to recognize religions as valid or invalid.

    I do not believe that scientology is a valid religion, yet the government does and they are tax exempt.
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