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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

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    Thousands of people are suckered into forming over millions of dollars. It's ludicrous that pastors work over the crowds and live lavishly. Ever noticed how a lot of "humble" pastors live? Expensive cars, clothes, suits?
    my father is a minister. when we were little, once a month we got Shoney's, and for our Birthday we could get Outback; but only the birthday kid got steak - the other kid got the hamburger. generally you are describing roughly 0.1% of that job field.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

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    my father is a minister. when we were little, once a month we got Shoney's, and for our Birthday we could get Outback; but only the birthday kid got steak - the other kid got the hamburger. generally you are describing roughly 0.1% of that job field.
    Our pastor when I was growing up worked full time with the post office just to be able to support his family, and still found time to visit people in need every single night.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Redress, I ask simple and deep questions to gain understanding. Understanding is intelligence. We take our beliefs for granted; we just say what we think yet we're no more credible than anyone else. (You can pm me or post an inquisitive post if you wish to understand me further)

    *This issue is a group of notions I disagree with. But why?

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    However, when it comes to pastors, it is shades of grey. I know of multiple pastors from me and my families experiences. TV pastors are wealthy. They live like proud kings. Large churches give rise to worldly/materialistic pastors.

    I know of those who cheat on their wives, sexually bully the women, and drive expensive cars. You have not seen what I have seen.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Churches should be tax exempt as long as they are only doing the work of teaching religion or charity work. If they get involved in anyway in the political arena they should not only be taxed but taxed from the first dime they ever collected. The church should be fined and the pastor or minister or priest should also receive a hefty fine as well. If they refuse to pay nail the doors shut.
    But if they are in the business of religion and that alone they should have the tax exempt status they now enjoy. The same could be said for any religious group. Once they have breached the political arena they should be shut down.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    However, when it comes to pastors, it is shades of grey. I know of multiple pastors from me and my families experiences. TV pastors are wealthy. They live like proud kings. Large churches give rise to worldly/materialistic pastors.

    I know of those who cheat on their wives, sexually bully the women, and drive expensive cars. You have not seen what I have seen.
    I doubt that you've seen what you've seen. Some TV Pastors probably sell alot of books, and some are undoubtably corrupt. My wife's home church sends out video's of the services to the members who are home-ridden, and often the service that day will end up at some point on the television or radio at night. The pastor is an impressive and thoroughly middle-class guy.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Redress, I ask simple and deep questions to gain understanding. Understanding is intelligence. We take our beliefs for granted; we just say what we think yet we're no more credible than anyone else. (You can pm me or post an inquisitive post if you wish to understand me further)

    *This issue is a group of notions I disagree with. But why?
    1) your questions are not deep

    2) you avoid answering my questions. Why?

    3) Who are you quoting and where are the quotes from in the comments you put in quotation marks?
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Should churches be defunded? If I recall they believe, iirc, taxpayer money. Or do they pay no taxes?

    Isn't it also true that churches, especially large churches, are run like businesses? Tax it. Iirc, I once saw a church worker bring a wheelbarrow down the aisle for tithes. This is true.

    These pseudo-businesses require tithes up to 10%. Perhaps catholicism can be an exception because it's a donation system.

    Do you think the government should regulate preaching, like monitoring for hate speech against homosexuals and prostitutes? Should churches be entirely defended? Taxed? Or the tithe system abolished?

    Should they be dealt with?
    The government should not do nor can it do anything regarding churches seeing how there is the "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" in the first amendment.


    Besides that if you start taxing the churches you open the door for them to have more influence in government just like any other business that is taxed. JUst like Kenneth Copeland, Paul Crouch and all those other televangelist told their viewers GOd needs a new Satellite Dish, God wants me to live a mega mansion, God needs money for this, God needs money for that they will say God needs money so we can fight the government or God needs money so we can try to enlighten the hearts of those in office.
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