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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

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    There is always that possibility. There's also the possibility of being shot for implementing such a thing.
    And, like the gun control debate, it will surely stop them.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    I think you'll find that the majority of homeless shelters, soup kitchens, shelters for battered women or abused children, and so forth in any given town... are likely run by and funded by a local church.

    Most churches do at least some charity work; some do TONS of it.

    Taxing them to a significant degree is likely to result in some degree of loss of private charitable activity.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Thousands of people are suckered into forming over millions of dollars. It's ludicrous that pastors work over the crowds and live lavishly. Ever noticed how a lot of "humble" pastors live? Expensive cars, clothes, suits?

    Think about it.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    I am not a fan of taxing organizations that contribute to the good of society.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    I don't think it is wise because they definitely help communities far more than hurt them and do more for communities than any given business to help people. Since most churches do a lot of charity work wouldn't they end up paying nearly no taxes anyways with deductions? I think perhaps they should pay local taxes, and make sure that anyone working for the church gets taxed accordingly but that's it.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    And, like the gun control debate, it will surely stop them.
    Well to try would be worth it. I could not abide by your form of treason and tyranny.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    The average pastor probably doesn't live much (if any) better than most of his church's members.

    Most pastors are at a church where average attendence is less than 200. Most of them live in a modest sized house ("pastorium") which has seen better days and doesn't belong to them... it belongs to the church.

    Most of them do not get a lavish salary... in fact most of them have to budget carefully to get by.

    If the congregation decides to fire them, and that can happen for any reason or none, they will have to vacate the house they live in quickly and find somewhere else to stay with little or no income. They literally live on the sufferance of their parishoners.

    In many cases the pastor's wife is expected to be heavily involved in the Church's social activities... and if she has a job that makes that impossible, many of the members will grumble about that and be displeased.

    Many pastors of small country churches also have a "day job" and are self-supporting, because the church is so small (and the congregation of modest means) that it can't pay the pastor enough to live on. Some pastors do this anyway because they think it is the right thing to do... but it does make it tough to work a full time job and be on-call 24/7 for members having some kind of crisis, whether it is marriage crisis, serious illness/sudden hospitalization, spiritual matter or whatever.

    Most pastors work very hard indeed, and spend a lot of time helping others deal with grief, loss, financial problems, marital problems, child-rearing problems, drunken abusive spouses... and most don't ever get rich or live "lavish" lifestyles. It is a pity that the flamboyant big-name TV preachers get all the attention... there are so many humble pastors who labor all their lives for others' benefit, quietly fulfilling their calling for meagre compensation, while scoffers and buffoons make fun of their profession and claim they're all in it for the money.

    Most of the pastors I've known, if you told them they were in it for the money, would laugh at such an idea, while showing you an empty wallet and a 15 year old car.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Somebody created a "devils advocate" thread.

    Sorry. Someone needed to say it. Carry on.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why do you keep making these vague, unattributed quotes?
    I repeat this question in hopes of an answer.
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