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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The government should not regulate what Churches say.

    Nor anyone else or that matter.
    Why shouldn't they, Your Star? It's trending in many other nations. Besides, it's hate speech and indoctrination. Let the government help teach the kids in the public schools.

    We don't need churches anymore. We've clearly progressed further than you. NoW we wait for the others.
    Last edited by Wake; 05-26-11 at 09:31 PM.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I say tax it like a business. That's basically what it is, in the service of providing faith based care for those so inclined to partake.
    Like I said, giving the government that power would give them the ability to tax out unpopular religions. It's not worth it.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Why shouldn't they, Your Star? It's tending in many other nations. Besides, it's hate speech and indoctrination. Let the government help teach the kids in the public schools.

    We don't need churches anymore. We've clearly progressed further than you. No we wait for the others.
    Some of us don't need churches anymore, and we've come to the point in which we will not be burned alive for saying so publicly. That's a good spot to be in. Hate speech and indoctrination are code words for thought control; which is what you're calling for. I will not authorize the government to perform thought control on a people. The People must be free to believe and express said beliefs as they want; so long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others in the process. That's the end all be all of it. If you tread away from that, towards a militant anti-theism campaign, you tread towards tyranny.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Like I said, giving the government that power would give them the ability to tax out unpopular religions. It's not worth it.
    I don't think so. You tax based on the income. So what you pay is based on what you take in. It's fair across the board.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Why shouldn't they, Your Star? It's trending in many other nations. Besides, it's hate speech and indoctrination. Let the government help teach the kids in the public schools.

    We don't need churches anymore. We've clearly progressed further than you. NoW we wait for the others.
    We have a thing called the 1st Amendment I am quite fond of. I strongly believe in the marketplace of ideas.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I don't think so. You tax based on the income. So what you pay is based on what you take in. It's fair across the board.
    And with the amount of loopholes being able to be written in to the tax code favoring one religion over the other, it's too dangerous IMO.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Most pastors do not live lavish lifestyles. Our pastors live at a standard no different than the rest of the community. And I would know, since I vote on their salary every year as a part of the congregational vote on the church budget. There are some hucksters out there, but most are humble dedicated servants of God.

    If someone is dumb enough willingly fork over large amounts of cash to a charlatan, that is their own problem (assuming said charlatan isn't breaking any existing laws). As for tithes, while the Bible does call for them, they are voluntary. Most churches don't have a tithe police auditing your records to make sure you're giving the full 10%. Churches are tax exempt because they are considered a charity. Most churches I know are involved in various charity works in the community.

    And as for expanding hate speech laws to monitor the doctrine taught in churches, no thanks! Hate speech laws we have now are ridiculous. Expanding them to infringe upon another cherished liberty - freedom of religion - is a horrid idea. If you disagree with what is being taught in a specifc church, feel free to offer a counter opinion.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I don't think so. You tax based on the income. So what you pay is based on what you take in. It's fair across the board.
    It can be done, but I do think you have to be careful in what you allow the government to do. Your Star does bring forth valid concern and it would have to be addressed if we started considering taxing religion. I'd rather accept it as a consequence of freedom and be done with it as there are much bigger fish to fry right now. If we ever got to the point where taxation of religions became a high priority concern, we will be sitting pretty.
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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The government should not regulate what Churches say.

    Nor anyone else or that matter.

    The government does regulate one thing the churches say. They are not allowed to endorse political candidates.

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    Re: Government regulation of Churches?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    And with the amount of loopholes being able to be written in to the tax code favoring one religion over the other, it's too dangerous IMO.
    I don't really see the danger. There would be a fight to end all fights if some religion felt targeted or oppressed by the taxes. Simply don't write legislation with loopholes. "All religious institutions, upon registration as such, shall submit 10% of their total gross receipts in taxes on a yearly basis".
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