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Fun With Cremation & The Catholic Church

Dragonfly

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Catholic cremation: Vatican issues new guidelines, says no to scattering ashes - CNN.com

Seeking to keep control, even after you've died...

Rome (CNN)The Vatican announced Tuesday that Catholics may be cremated but should not have their ashes scattered at sea or kept in urns at home.According to new guidelines from the Vatican's doctrinal office, cremated remains should be kept in a "sacred place" such as a church cemetery. Ashes should not be divided up between family members, "nor may they be preserved in mementos, pieces of jewelry or other objects."
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And this is just....wow :shock:

Cremation does not "prevent God, in his omnipotence, from raising up the deceased body to new life," the Vatican says, but it does raise the possibility that the deceased's body, which the church believes is sacred, will not be properly respected by ancestors and relatives.
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I guess if I will my body to medical research, or a body farm, I won't be respected by my relatives when I'm resurrected.

Oh wait...I'm not Catholic so my ancestors won't give a hoot.
 
I'm a baptized at birth life-long cradle Catholic, so are both sides of my family, and the same for my wife and her family. My wife and my siblings are products of Catholic education, from Grammar School through University. I have a close family member that's a Catholic Priest.

I thoroughly enjoy being Catholic; it adds depth and dimension to my life, and provides an organizational aspect to our family.

But I swear - if I wasn't Catholic and was looking in at the goings on inside Catholicism - I'd be like Wha??? :shock:

It's almost a wonder a largely protest country managed to elect JFK! :mrgreen:

So if I were going to pick a religion from scratch in purely intellectual terms, I might consider going with Judaism. It seems to make more sense. And I really like the idea of Friday night shabbat meals every week, getting the family together!
 
So unbelievably stupid. 8 years ago my father died, we had to keep his body for the catholic funeral (we did not have him embalmed, he didn't want that, and why pump him full of chemicals when he is gonna be embalmed?), so that was an expense for renting the closed casket at the funeral. We then had him cremated.

We wanted to put 2008 on the gravestone he shared with my mother, but the cemetery wouldn't allow it, unless we dug up the grave, and deposited 100% of the ashes ($4000 please). We could envision my dad telling them to F themselves....so we had a metal plaque with 2008 on it and put it on the grave stone.

And we put part of him in the surf in front of the beach house we had gone to for years with all the family...part on the grave, some on the golf course, and I plan to return some to Ireland. This dogmatic idiocy perfectly spells out one of the many many reasons I left the Catholic church...it is just so freaking out of touch with reality.
 
beefheart said:
So unbelievably stupid. 8 years ago my father died, we had to keep his body for the catholic funeral (we did not have him embalmed, he didn't want that, and why pump him full of chemicals when he is gonna be embalmed?), so that was an expense for renting the closed casket at the funeral. We then had him cremated.

We wanted to put 2008 on the gravestone he shared with my mother, but the cemetery wouldn't allow it, unless we dug up the grave, and deposited 100% of the ashes ($4000 please). We could envision my dad telling them to F themselves....so we had a metal plaque with 2008 on it and put it on the grave stone.

And we put part of him in the surf in front of the beach house we had gone to for years with all the family...part on the grave, some on the golf course, and I plan to return some to Ireland. This dogmatic idiocy perfectly spells out one of the many many reasons I left the Catholic church...it is just so freaking out of touch with reality.
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It has never been in touch with reality.
 
Now for the big question:

How many Catholics give a hoot what the Vatican says on such matters?
 
Although I am not Catholic, I am non-denominational Christian, and I have met many Christians who are very anti-cremation, including my in-laws. From a spiritual level, I never understood the reasoning on this. Your body is just an empty vessel in the end that will inevitably be eaten by worms, beetles, and microscopic organisms. As far as I know, there is no ban on cremation in the Bible. I tell my in-laws the taboo over cremation stems from pagan burial practices. Might as well be debating a wall, tbh.
 
madman said:
in other words, I enjoy my food court choices.
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In other words I have a hard time believing that moderns who are clearly full of their individuality constantly demanding to do what ever they want to do most of the time are going to let some guy in Rome tell them what can and what can not be done with their remains.

NOTE: I am not Catholic, but my wife and kids are, and I have over the years often been with them at church and CCD...my wife for many years was a CCD teacher,
 
If I die in a fire do I get a discount at the crematorium?
 
I have a question.

Why the hell would you "need" your physical body, and why would you even want it at that point? Some people have been burdened their whole lives with physical deformities and ailments.
Some people were obese, or just down-right unattractive. Sometimes the genetic pool from one's family can be quite the cruel recipe.

How many religions believe that in the after-life you are rejoined with your actual physical body?
That just sounds so strange to me.
 
It's amazing what nonsense religions will agonize over. It's also amazing that so many people make a living doing it.
 
Dragonfly said:
I have a question.

Why the hell would you "need" your physical body, and why would you even want it at that point? Some people have been burdened their whole lives with physical deformities and ailments.
Some people were obese, or just down-right unattractive. Sometimes the genetic pool from one's family can be quite the cruel recipe.

How many religions believe that in the after-life you are rejoined with your actual physical body?
That just sounds so strange to me.
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Being reunited with your body after death is standard Christian teaching. To be more specific, you are reunited with your body after Christ's return. Your body is supposed to be transformed at that point though, into what is commonly referred to as: resurrection body, glorified body, or incorruptible body. The assumption is that your body would be perfected, so you would no longer have whatever physical ailments you once had.

You would need it because humans are physical creatures, created from the earth, according to Christian teaching. So without a body you aren't even fully human. You will need it in order to live in the next physical reality; the restored Earth.
 
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