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Why are so many atheists oppose social justice?

Medusa said:
specific ?
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Yes. You said many. If you said many, you can point one out, and show that they are doing the confusing of the issue. Name names, Point it out, or point out a post/ or an article or a blog that an atheists is confusing atheism and secular humanism. Give an example of an atheist doing so.
 
Medusa said:
many atheists are the ones who confuse atheism with secular humanism,they claim believers can not be humanists
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We must travel in different circles as I know no atheists who believe that and I am pretty active in the atheist/skeptical/secular humanist community. There are always oddballs in every group though.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RM2SuMyYDU

This video made me lose my appetite. One more atheist youtube channel I will never visit again.

Atheists are supposed to be the advocates of objective evidence and reason. So why do some seem to hostile to anyone who wants to oppose systemic racism, sexism, homophobia, transexualism, and hate? We're going to spread the gospel of evolutionary biology and cosmology but not realities of social science?

And people wonder why atheist rallies are mostly white, with the racism and sexism within the community.
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i dont thinck he is for any of those things
 
 
BrewerBob said:
We must travel in different circles as I know no atheists who believe that and I am pretty active in the atheist/skeptical/secular humanist community. There are always oddballs in every group though.
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Oh no, it's definitely there. But it's also usually qualitatively different than conservative sexism and being anti-progressives. If you've followed the dialogue between Cenk Uygur/Glenn Greenwald vs. Sam Harris on anti-Muslim animus, or Sam Harris vs. Noam Chomsky on US foreign policy, or followed Dawkins commentary during "Elavatorgate", it's pretty clear that New Atheists don't mind taking shots at Progressives or attacking people who don't fall within the traditional New Atheist narrative. In fact, a new favorite New Atheist term for Progressives is "Regressives." Couple that with the large set of New Atheists who deny AGW, and the whole movement left a pretty sour taste in my mouth. I left New Atheism back at the end of 2009, because even then I was pretty certain that this is where the movement was headed. I'm sad to say 6 years later that I was right on almost all accounts.

I used to have a foot on both sides, but now I just don't care at all for the New Atheist "team." I rather like Massimo Pigliucci's open letter to the skeptic movement. I really like Ethical Culture, I wish there was a chapter where I lived. Having existed for 150 years, they have a lot of institutional knowledge and wisdom that has kept them from falling into all of the New Atheist pitfalls, while embodying everything I care for about Secular Humanism.
 
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Gaius46 said:
And a particularly intolerant one at that. And anti freedom of speech and thought.
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Someone posted a video earlier in the thread, by the Amazing Atheist.
He points out that when religious people and atheists lobby together to resist your movement, you're doing something wrong.
 
RAMOSS said:
Yes. You said many. If you said many, you can point one out, and show that they are doing the confusing of the issue. Name names, Point it out, or point out a post/ or an article or a blog that an atheists is confusing atheism and secular humanism. Give an example of an atheist doing so.
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just read many posts in DP!!!!! do it yourself ( as if you dont know
 
Medusa said:
just read many posts in DP!!!!! do it yourself ( as if you dont know
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In other words, you can't point even one of htose posts out. Yes dear.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RM2SuMyYDU

This video made me lose my appetite. One more atheist youtube channel I will never visit again.

Atheists are supposed to be the advocates of objective evidence and reason. So why do some seem to hostile to anyone who wants to oppose systemic racism, sexism, homophobia, transexualism, and hate? We're going to spread the gospel of evolutionary biology and cosmology but not realities of social science?

And people wonder why atheist rallies are mostly white, with the racism and sexism within the community.
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Possibly because they dont have religion as the basis for moral judgments. So they are typically motivated by selfish reasons (or other authority, like parents, culture). Which is not to say this is a bad thing or that social justice is good. Social justice is just another way to force people towards a certain way of thinking, that sexism, etc is wrong, much like religion forces one to believe that homosexuality or inequality is right.

I prefer to allow individuals to be selfish and decide for themselves, not have an outside force decide for them. This debate forum is an example of that. There is no religion or social justice here. We all come to it with our own perspective and through debate and self examination attempt to change minds or have minds changed.
 
jonny5 said:
Possibly because they dont have religion as the basis for moral judgments. .
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They have common sense and basic humanity. Are religious wars moral?
 
zyzygy said:
They have common sense and basic humanity. Are religious wars moral?
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Common sense and basic humanity are learned behaviors. Where do they come from? Humans are animals. Our actions are dictated by biology first, and then learned behavior, either from experience or reasoning.
 
Henrin said:
Being an atheist only means you don't believe in the existence of gods. It has nothing to do with thoughts on other subjects.
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Even though there isn't proof there is a god(s) or isn't a god(s). It's an ideology. There are no logic or thought processes involved.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RM2SuMyYDU

This video made me lose my appetite. One more atheist youtube channel I will never visit again.

Atheists are supposed to be the advocates of objective evidence and reason. So why do some seem to hostile to anyone who wants to oppose systemic racism, sexism, homophobia, transexualism, and hate? We're going to spread the gospel of evolutionary biology and cosmology but not realities of social science?

And people wonder why atheist rallies are mostly white, with the racism and sexism within the community.
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Conversely, from another completely anecdotal region of the country ...

Christians are supposed to be the advocates of love and compassion. So why do some seem to hostile to anyone who wants to oppose systemic racism, sexism, homophobia, transexualism, and hate? We're going to spread the gospel of the Lord while excluding those we don't agree with?

And people wonder why KKK rallies are mostly Christian, with the racism and sexism within the community.
 
Critter7r said:
And people wonder why KKK rallies are mostly Christian, with the racism and sexism within the community.
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I'm willing to bet it isn't mostly Christian, but almost entirely Christian. The KKK is a Christian organization. It always has been.
 
Cephus said:
I'm willing to bet it isn't mostly Christian, but almost entirely Christian. The KKK is a Christian organization. It always has been.
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I just substituted a few words and used the rest of the quote as/is ... actually, I don't think the KKK allows non-Christians, but that's a guess.
 
Critter7r said:
I just substituted a few words and used the rest of the quote as/is ... actually, I don't think the KKK allows non-Christians, but that's a guess.
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You are right, their application demands Christian beliefs (at least this subset does).

KKK Application
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
But atheism as a movement is about objective evidence and logic. And objective evidence and logic says that in our society that women, people of color, and LGBT people are marginalized in ways that cis-hetero-white-male-sexual-normative people cannot see on a day-to-day basis. Social justice should be fought for the same way that creationism should be fought and opposed...because truth and logic matters.
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So...what's the wage gap (a softball question to see just how "objective" the evidence/logic you use is)?
 
coyotedelmar said:
So...what's the wage gap (a softball question to see just how "objective" the evidence/logic you use is)?
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Imaginary and completely undemonstrable?
 
**** identity politics, **** political correctness, and every other bit of SJW nonsense.


I get to sleep in on Sunday. That's it.
 
Troll post.

"Why are so many atheists oppose social justice?"

Well, I could ask, "Why do so many Christians want to burn teenage girls at the stake for being witches?"

See what I did there?
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RM2SuMyYDU

This video made me lose my appetite. One more atheist youtube channel I will never visit again.

Atheists are supposed to be the advocates of objective evidence and reason. So why do some seem to hostile to anyone who wants to oppose systemic racism, sexism, homophobia, transexualism, and hate? We're going to spread the gospel of evolutionary biology and cosmology but not realities of social science?

And people wonder why atheist rallies are mostly white, with the racism and sexism within the community.
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Our Founding Fathers, Ordained and Established our Constitution to be more supreme that Any commandments of Any god.

What is not covered by our Ten Amendments.
 
Brewdog said:
Troll post.

"Why are so many atheists oppose social justice?"

Well, I could ask, "Why do so many Christians want to burn teenage girls at the stake for being witches?"

See what I did there?
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Huh? Do you even know what I'm referring to?

I'm referring to atheists types like the Governess who rail against "SJWs" and groups of atheists on youtube who fight "SJWs" with plenty of followers.

As atheists, we are supposed to be about objective evidence and that means acknowledging truths in social science about racism, sexism, homohpobia, and transphobia.
 
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