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Does God exist?

FluffyNinja said:
Is it necessary that the source of light energy come from our star.....Sol? Can artificial light and heat be used?
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Grow lights were around before the sun? Damn, maybe Thomas Edison found one of those ancient scrolls and kept it to himself. Explains all his "inventions."
 
calamity said:
Grow lights were around before the sun? Damn, maybe Thomas Edison found one of those ancient scrolls and kept it to himself. Explains all his "inventions."
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I don't know? You have evidence that they weren't? That an alien species didn't have this technology prior to the formation of our sun? Is it within the realm of possibility? You tell me. I thought this was the "philosophical discussions" forum?
 
FluffyNinja said:
I don't know? You have evidence that they weren't? That an alien species didn't have this technology prior to the formation of our sun? Is it within the realm of possibility? You tell me. I thought this was the "philosophical discussions" forum?
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I'm Ok with the concept of panspermia. In fact, I give that a really high probability...but it sure wasn't grass seed traveling on those meteorites. Bacteria perhaps, but it was probably just amino acids that hitched that ride.
 
"but he loves you"





And my answer to the question is, "**** no!"
There is no god
 
Lovebug said:
Absolutely. No need for me trying to convince others it is so, or trying to argue with others about my faith. Why bother with this thread then?

Lots of threads by those who are saying God does not exist, again and again. I wonder why those, who are convinced God does not exist, are so obsessed about the topic? If God doesn't exist, why bother? Is the topic brought up, again and again ad nauseam, because non believers need to reassure themselves that God doesn't exist?
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Wait. So you made this thread to castigate those who disagree with you for obsessing on the subject?
 
calamity said:
I'm Ok with the concept of panspermia. In fact, I give that a really high probability...but it sure wasn't grass seed traveling on those meteorites. Bacteria perhaps, but it was probably just amino acids that hitched that ride.
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Meh...one guess is as good as the next I suppose. Its when science becomes so closed-minded as to rule out "the possible" simply because it may not fit into our own comfort zone that it begins to break down. We're arrogant to think the mysteries of the universe can be solved simply by applying the limited body of knowledge that we currently and collectively possess. And quantum and deep space theorists, like any other group of professionals, often defend their claims vehemently. Its very difficult for humans to remain completely objective, when arrogance, self-centerdness, and self-preservation still linger at our very core. Again, just my own observations here. :shrug:
 
FluffyNinja said:
Meh...one guess is as good as the next I suppose. Its when science becomes so closed-minded as to rule out "the possible" simply because it may not fit into our own comfort zone that it begins to break down. We're arrogant to think the mysteries of the universe can be solved simply by applying the limited body of knowledge that we currently and collectively possess. And quantum and deep space theorists, like any other group of professionals, often defend their claims vehemently. Its very difficult for humans to remain completely objective, when arrogance, self-centerdness, and self-preservation still linger at our very core. Again, just my own observations here. :shrug:
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Lots of supposedly iron clad theories have been revised over the years. That's what science does. That those who are invested in those established positions would fight tooth and nail to maintain them is human nature. Newton would have crapped a big load had he been alive when Niels Bohr came around.
 
FluffyNinja said:
Okay, I realize you paid attention in Botany 101. No need to prove that but I don't think you're really catching my drift here.
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If you said,

Planets cant exist without our Sun? Hmm. More flawed logic and faulty science.
"post hoc ergo propter hoc"

I'd have agreed.
 
brothern said:
If you said,

Planets cant exist without our Sun? Hmm. More flawed logic and faulty science.
"post hoc ergo propter hoc"

I'd have agreed.
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I was simply addressing what someone else posted. Here are his claims, quoted word for word:

It is impossible for plants-let alone an entire planet--to exist before the sun.
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Will you defend his above claims in their entirety here and now?
 
FluffyNinja said:
Plants cant exist without our Sun? Hmm. More flawed logic and faulty science.
"post hoc ergo propter hoc"
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right like a giant light bulb then?

FluffyNinja said:
Is it necessary that the source of light energy come from our star.....Sol? Can artificial light and heat be used?
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god created plants using a full spectrum light bulb, and then he was like-- ohyeah.. i guess I should create the sun. "Let there be light" ???

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at least he created the planet first. That would have been an awkward philosophical conundrum.
 
Cally said:
right like a giant light bulb then?



god created plants using a full spectrum light bulb, and then he was like-- ohyeah.. i guess I should create the sun. "Let there be light" ???

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at least he created the planet first. That would have been an awkward philosophical conundrum.
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Did I bring God into the discussion or wait.....was that you?
 
FluffyNinja said:
Did I bring God into the discussion or wait.....was that you?
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I could have sworn that was an aspirin just I took-- but I thought the thread's title is "Does God exist"?
 
Cally said:
I could have sworn that was an aspirin just I took-- but I thought the thread's title is "Does God exist"?
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I didn't start this thread. I just joined in to correct faulty logic that I witnessed. Consider it my civic duty.;)
 
No faulty logic except the brain stem reflexive vomit spewing forth once again from the religiously brainwashed.. the tiresome persecution complex-- the neuron freezing, mind numbing stupidity of people who believe that plants were created before the sun. lol do adults really believe this hogwash? Right now in the 21st century.. adults believe that Genesis 1 is based on reality. :doh
 
Cally said:
No faulty logic except the brain stem reflexive vomit spewing forth once again from the religiously brainwashed.. the tiresome persecution complex-- the neuron freezing, mind numbing stupidity of people who believe that plants were created before the sun. lol do adults really believe this hogwash? Right now in the 21st century.. adults believe that Genesis 1 is based on reality. :doh
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How very open-minded of you. No subjectivity whatsoever. Are you still in high school?
 
FluffyNinja said:
How very open-minded of you. No subjectivity whatsoever. Are you still in high school?
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that's rich. You're essentially defending people who still believe in fairytales, but I'm the one who must be in highschool. Your attempt to present yourself as this open minded, philosophical person is noted, however you have failed. In addition, it is next to impossible to avoid subjectivity. There is a bias in nearly every presentation.
 
FluffyNinja said:
Meh...one guess is as good as the next I suppose. Its when science becomes so closed-minded as to rule out "the possible" simply because it may not fit into our own comfort zone that it begins to break down. We're arrogant to think the mysteries of the universe can be solved simply by applying the limited body of knowledge that we currently and collectively possess. And quantum and deep space theorists, like any other group of professionals, often defend their claims vehemently. Its very difficult for humans to remain completely objective, when arrogance, self-centerdness, and self-preservation still linger at our very core. Again, just my own observations here. :shrug:
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Those who make accusations of 'scientific close mindedness' are essentially conspiracy theorists and are in the wrong forum section. They are the epitome of self-centred arrogance and frankly, if you don't like the method and it's practice then shut down your computer and get back to the garden; Your life expectancy will be halved and your quality of life will be restricted so good luck with that.
 
FluffyNinja said:
How very open-minded of you. No subjectivity whatsoever. Are you still in high school?
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If one reads the bible with an open mind, then the god described in it is fictional. The actions of the god described in Genesis are very well defined. Once we begin reading between the lines, we are inventing a new god, one that is not at all like the one described in the book.

For example, if we say the resurrection is not really Jesus rising from the dead, but rather it is an allegory to show that our soul may be lifted up to heaven, the resurrection loses its original meaning. The good book was very explicit. If we rewrite it to match our own interpretations, well you now have a new book---and a new god.
 
Lovebug said:
Absolutely. No need for me trying to convince others it is so, or trying to argue with others about my faith. Why bother with this thread then?

Lots of threads by those who are saying God does not exist, again and again. I wonder why those, who are convinced God does not exist, are so obsessed about the topic? If God doesn't exist, why bother? Is the topic brought up, again and again ad nauseam, because non believers need to reassure themselves that God doesn't exist?
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Religion is a "hot topic" for the non-religious because religion is everywhere.
Since DP is a political discussion forum, religion is discussed here a lot because religion is completely and totally infused into our politics as well.
Even though there's supposed to be a separation of church and state, there isn't. Then, when you also look at world events surrounding terrorism there's a extra double-dose of religion thrown into the mix. The Middle East and all the conflicts there are wrapped up in religion.

So an honest view of things suggests that religion is a hugely important topic when discussing politics, and world events, on many levels.

Surely you've seen polls where the vast majority of people voting say they'd never vote for an atheist for POTUS.

Surely you know the facts around the evangelical influence over the past decade or two in our political arena.

Surely you know that it's only a relatively recent phenomena that declaring yourself to be an atheist wasn't actually a dangerous thing to do.

It's really not surprising that atheists come out passionately on internet forums.
There's really no other avenue to express one's thoughts and opinions so openly without the fear or consequences of doing so in "real life".
 
Cally said:
this thread--
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Why do religious people start threads about god in other subforums? It's as if they must somehow insert their religious beliefs into every discussion-- no matter how irrelevant and annoying it may be. Why do religious people feel the need to tell others that their life styles are "immoral." They cannot simply stick to facts.. it's always an argument which involves semantics and circular reasoning.
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Asking some questions should be ok.
 
Kobie said:
Wait. So you made this thread to castigate those who disagree with you for obsessing on the subject?
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No, but I wonder why some would spend so much time trying to disprove something they don't believe in. It is a question to which I received some very reasoned responses.
 
Dragonfly said:
Religion is a "hot topic" for the non-religious because religion is everywhere.
Since DP is a political discussion forum, religion is discussed here a lot because religion is completely and totally infused into our politics as well.
Even though there's supposed to be a separation of church and state, there isn't. Then, when you also look at world events surrounding terrorism there's a extra double-dose of religion thrown into the mix. The Middle East and all the conflicts there are wrapped up in religion.

So an honest view of things suggests that religion is a hugely important topic when discussing politics, and world events, on many levels.

Surely you've seen polls where the vast majority of people voting say they'd never vote for an atheist for POTUS.

Surely you know the facts around the evangelical influence over the past decade or two in our political arena.

Surely you know that it's only a relatively recent phenomena that declaring yourself to be an atheist wasn't actually a dangerous thing to do.

It's really not surprising that atheists come out passionately on internet forums.
There's really no other avenue to express one's thoughts and opinions so openly without the fear or consequences of doing so in "real life".
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That makes sense. One can certainly reason the influence of faith into one's decision and discuss it as such. What I am wondering is the obsession of discussing so called fairies in the sky. If one is convinced that God does not exist, why worry about stating that point repeatedly? It is like those who do not believe must convince themselves of that fact over and over again.
 
Lovebug said:
No, but I wonder why some would spend so much time trying to disprove something they don't believe in. It is a question to which I received some very reasoned responses.
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And Kobie's wasn't one of them. :mrgreen:
 
Lovebug said:
That makes sense. One can certainly reason the influence of faith into one's decision and discuss it as such. What I am wondering is the obsession of discussing so called fairies in the sky. If one is convinced that God does not exist, why worry about stating that point repeatedly? It is like those who do not believe must convince themselves of that fact over and over again.
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I think since you're a believer, you don't quite understand how much religion is a part of the American culture.

Since you're a woman, can you understand what life is like from the male perspective?

Non-believers don't NEED to convince themselves of anything. Some truly do relish the release of frustrations and emotions in an environment that allows them to openly confront the religious bias our society has. Like it or not, our society is highly biased in favor of the religious.

Think about it. Topics like marriage, sex, reproductive rights, family values, education, rights, and laws are often times solely argued from a religious point of view.

It can be very frustrating to debate someone who consistently falls back on religion as the core tenant of their side of the argument.
Also interesting to note is how some of those very religious people will in turn condemn someone who's faith is just as strong, but follows a different religious text than their own.
 
Dragonfly said:
I think since you're a believer, you don't quite understand how much religion is a part of the American culture.

Since you're a woman, can you understand what life is like from the male perspective?

Non-believers don't NEED to convince themselves of anything. Some truly do relish the release of frustrations and emotions in an environment that allows them to openly confront the religious bias our society has. Like it or not, our society is highly biased in favor of the religious.

Think about it. Topics like marriage, sex, reproductive rights, family values, education, rights, and laws are often times solely argued from a religious point of view.

It can be very frustrating to debate someone who consistently falls back on religion as the core tenant of their side of the argument.
Also interesting to note is how some of those very religious people will in turn condemn someone who's faith is just as strong, but follows a different religious text than their own.
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We all argue from a point set of values, whether they are religion based or not. To be fair, I see the religious belittling non believers as much as non believers belittle those of faith. It saddens me, and I realize that those who do it have no solid base for their argument.
Our values, faith based or not, should be appreciated and addressed respectfully. When a debate becomes too frustrating, one can always walk away.
 
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