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Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite? [W:162]

Is cherry picking scripute and rejecting the rest hypocrisy?

  • Yes, people might as well become atheist/agnostic.

    Votes: 6 35.3%

  • No, but I do concede some early OT stuff is probably wrong

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • No, I chose to believe elaborate mental contraptions that allow me to cherry pick.

    Votes: 2 11.8%

  • No, all faith is personal, I can cherry pick and don't call me hypocrite if I do

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 8 47.1%
  • Total voters
    17
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Logicman said:
It's not a moral law.
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Ahh, so you can just ignore it then, yeah? Make the claim that it's not a moral law, despite that it came from your god, because it's probably easiest just to ignore it anyway.

It's nice when you can cherry pick what you follow out of the bible.
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Ikari said:
Ahh, so you can just ignore it then, yeah? Make the claim that it's not a moral law, despite that it came from your god, because it's probably easiest just to ignore it anyway.

It's nice when you can cherry pick what you follow out of the bible.
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What's the matter with you? Your jack-legged, Biblically-challenged argument was busted in Post # 50.
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Logicman said:
Jesus, Paul, the Bible, Me, others....



"Before Abraham was, I AM." - Jesus, John 8:58

Jesus didn't just become God in the New Testament. He was already identified as God and then he incarnated (John chapter 1, Philippians 2:5-7, etc.). You also should do a study on Jeremiah 23:5-6, Isaiah chapter 9, "The" Angel of the Lord, and a host of other topics that reveal Jesus as God in the Old Testament.

Have you ever read the Bible?
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Yes, I've read the Bible. Not cover -to-cover, but I've studied the Gospels and a few OT books (Genesis, Leviticus, Ecclesiastes, Job and the Songs and Psalms). I discount the Acts, the Epistles and Revelations.
If Jesus equals God, are you Unitarian?
 
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Grand Mal said:
Yes, I've read the Bible. Not cover -to-cover, but I've studied the Gospels and a few OT books (Genesis, Leviticus, Ecclesiastes, Job and the Songs and Psalms). I discount the Acts, the Epistles and Revelations.
If Jesus equals God, are you Unitarian?
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Nope, Trinity here - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Logicman said:
Horse manure. There's plenty of Orthodox Rabbis who acknowledge scripture condemns illicit gay sex, but you theological liberals love to defend gay sex sin, so you post the drivel you do.
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Actually, he is 100% correct. Remember... YOUR interpretation of the bible is just that. Yours. Other interpretations are just as valid to other people. You have no place to condemn anyone else's religion or religious beliefs. They are as sacred and as valid to them as yours are to yours... and yours are no more valid than anyone else's. Remember that.
 
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Logicman said:
You still trying to defend same sex debauchery?
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But Jesus was probably gay too, see:

Mark 14:51 said:
A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him,
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Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Ancient Herald said:
Confirmed by scripture in the NT.
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By people who believed the OT. Jesus never actually confirmed all of the OT. In fact the common claim is that because Jesus said that he was not there to do away with the old laws this means those laws are all still in place. Yet Jesus also said that all the laws of God could be reduced to the Golden Rule, which could easily reject a good number of those things in the OT, including homosexuality, that are listed as wrong, sins.
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Thrilla said:
I'm not.... but then again, i'm not an ancient Israelite beholden to Mosaic law,
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Neither am I, so I'll continue having bottom sex, safe in the knowledge that none of that OT blather applies to me.
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Natan said:
I'd like to see the viewpoint of people on whether those who cherry pick the parts to believe in their holy books are hypocrites. The bible for example teaches homosexuality is very bad, yet many christians claim being against gays is bigotry and bad. Similar thing with the creation story: if it is not to be taken literally, why do you believe the rest of the stuff? Shouldn't all the rest that was ever written down in pre medieval times even be taken seriously, like at all? How do you combine the fact that despite things being written down clearly in the basic tenants of your faith, you chose to disbelieve in a LOT of stuff in it, yet keep the rest?

[EDIT: Starting to wonder whether I'm dyslexic, scripute is just wrong and I can't edit it]
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Cherry-picking isn't exclusive to Christians.

There are non-believers, including atheists, who cherry-pick what they want to believe. They're not consistent.

As an example, some atheists choose to follow the propaganda of the New Atheists regarding science's position on creation.
Dawkins and the New Atheists would have you believe that to believe in creation is idiotic - and they cite science as their proof!
And yet, when you really dig deeper, you discover the truth:

Creation by God - known as Theistic Evolution - is not in disagreement with science. That in fact, there are evidences that support that in various fields of science.


So, why do people cherry pick?
Some do not intend to cherry pick - they're just ignorant of the truth. They lack information.
Others cherry pick, simply because.....they want to support their own views or convictions. They're what you call, relativists - the truth is whatever they want it to be.
 
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tosca1 said:
There are non-believers, including atheists, who cherry-pick what they want to believe. They're not consistent.
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Do they have to be consistent? There is no written atheist rulebook full of dogmas. We can cherry pick whatever we want. Supposed we did. The "scientific arguments" for creation are well known and it is a futile attempt to debunk them to creationists. Even if one bothers to counter a single argument with sound reason and science, two more concocted arguments will be brought forward by creationists without the first one even been acknowledged as false/debunked.

Your attempt at derail has been noticed.
 
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Natan said:
Do they have to be consistent? There is no written atheist rulebook full of dogmas.
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Well, yeah! You've got to be consistent. It's about what you believe or don't believe. It's your view point.
Whatever viewpoint we have - whether it's religious or not - will have to be based on something, right?

Where do you base your atheism?



We can cherry pick whatever we want.
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So you agree with me, cherry-picking isn't limited to Christians. Thank you.



Supposed we did. The "scientific arguments" for creation are well known and it is a futile attempt to debunk them to creationists. Even if one bothers to counter a single argument with sound reason and science, two more concocted arguments will be brought forward by creationists without the first one even been acknowledged as false/debunked.

Your attempt at derail has been noticed.
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Here's an official statement from the National Academy of Sciences, which is posted in the NASA website.

many scientists, hold that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth.

This belief, which sometimes is termed 'theistic evolution,' is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution.

Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines."


WMAP Site FAQs




It's not a derailment. It's pointing out to you that cherry-picking is practiced not only by Christians.

Cherry-picking isn't always done on purpose, either (which you suggest about Christians). Like I've said.....cherry-picking is usually a result of lack of information, or ignorance. I'm simply giving this as an example of atheists doing their own "cherry-picking", to support my argument.
 
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tosca1 said:
So you agree with me, cherru-picking isn't limited to Christians. Thank you.
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No problem admitting that such hypocrisy exists. I don't claim to be holier than thou and have the full truth in my possession. No potential consequences for hypocrisy (eternal damnation) exist in my "faith" or lack thereof.
 
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Natan said:
No problem admitting that such hypocrisy exists. I don't claim to be holier than thou and have the full truth in my possession. No potential consequences for hypocrisy (eternal damnation) exist in my "faith" or lack thereof.
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What does all that have to do with cherry-picking?

If science says the existence of God is possible - then it's possible too that the Christian God exists.
If all that is possible - eternal damnation is possible, hypocrisy or not!

I'm surprised by your response.


It seems your problem is not with cherry-picking per se......but with the actual religious teachings?
 
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If the cherry-picking Christian is ignorant of the truth, does that make him a hypocrite?
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Natan said:
I'd like to see the viewpoint of people on whether those who cherry pick the parts to believe in their holy books are hypocrites. The bible for example teaches homosexuality is very bad, yet many christians claim being against gays is bigotry and bad. Similar thing with the creation story: if it is not to be taken literally, why do you believe the rest of the stuff? Shouldn't all the rest that was ever written down in pre medieval times even be taken seriously, like at all? How do you combine the fact that despite things being written down clearly in the basic tenants of your faith, you chose to disbelieve in a LOT of stuff in it, yet keep the rest?

[EDIT: Starting to wonder whether I'm dyslexic, scripute is just wrong and I can't edit it]
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A hypocrite is someone who doesn't do what he preaches.

So, the answer to the title question would be, it depends.
If you throw a Bible verse at someone and accuse him of being sinner - like adultery as an example - and yet, you are committing adultery yourself, yes that's hypocrisy.


Cherry-picking the parts in the bible doesn't necessarily mean the Christian is a hypocrite.
You'd have to consider the factors why he's cherry-picking.
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

CaptainCourtesy said:
Actually, he is 100% correct. Remember... YOUR interpretation of the bible is just that. Yours. Other interpretations are just as valid to other people. You have no place to condemn anyone else's religion or religious beliefs. They are as sacred and as valid to them as yours are to yours... and yours are no more valid than anyone else's. Remember that.
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This is the usual politically-correct nonsense that folks like you love to belch out. Everybody's interpretation is sacred (except for those you don't like). As if you have the Spirit to rightfully discern spiritual truths (1 Corinthians 2:14). You don't. Nice try.
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

PoS said:
But Jesus was probably gay too, see:
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And pigs fly rocket ships to Alpha Centauri.
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Worse could be conceived if one has a bad imagination:

"And they were bringing children to him that he might touch them, (...)"
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Natan said:
I notice indeed people look towards preachers to explain it to them, but these also got it from a combination of their educators, their superiors and their own personal convictions. In the end it is all an artificial construct with a foundation of loose sand. That's just my opinion.
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The main message(s) of the Bible are consistent. Of course I'm referring to the Bibles that are used by biblical scholars.
There are some bibles that have been changed - straying from the significant messages in the Scriptures.

Preachers usually take special studies thus they are more equipped at explaining. However, there are also false preachers that indeed corrupt the Scriptures. Thus we are warned to be wary of them. There are ways to know which teachings are false.
The Bible - being the Word of God - will never have anything that contradict itself.
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Natan said:
Worse could be conceived if one has a bad imagination:

"And they were bringing children to him that he might touch them, (...)"
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If pedophiles can get a kick out of seeing innocent photos of children in diapers or jumpers.....surely, they'd get a kick out of that.
Everything about children, or that pertains to children, will be sexualized. :)

Same with same-sex. One argument being given to suggest that Jesus was gay, was the term "beloved," used on one of His disciples.
 
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Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Logicman said:
And pigs fly rocket ships to Alpha Centauri.
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And here is the proof:

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So thats two things we confirmed. Well done! :cheers:
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

PoS said:
And here is the proof:

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So thats two things we confirmed. Well done! :cheers:
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Congrats on your la la land victory. LOL.
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Logicman said:
This is the usual politically-correct nonsense that folks like you love to belch out. Everybody's interpretation is sacred (except for those you don't like). As if you have the Spirit to rightfully discern spiritual truths (1 Corinthians 2:14). You don't. Nice try.
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You don't understand the irony of your post, do you?
 
Re: Doesn't cherry picking scripture mean you are a hypocrite?

Logicman said:
Your rejoinder assumes there is no 'correct' position, right?
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I believe there is a correct interpretation. The trick s to find out what it is, and the vast majority of people can't discern what that is, those who have a PhD in religious studies, or those who just like to read up on things.

But, it's wrong to impose it on to people. Even more to people who don't want it. That's not what Jesus wanted.

The only thing we mere humans can do is do our best to follow the scripture to the best of our ability, and if God is a kind and loving God, the he she or it ll judge us on that.

The irony to your posts though is that far too many religious people believe that they and only they have the one true interpretation of scripture and everybody else has to follow and obey them.

Which is evident in your post.
 
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