Noah's Flood versus Reality[W:366]

I'm still stunned that a neurosurgeon like Ben Carson would believe that marine fossils found high up in the Andes are proof of the flood. :shock: Hell, is he a moron?

There are marine fossils at the summit of Everest too. Do flood believers think flood waters reached those heights too? And, if so....where pray tell did all that water go? Surely it does not take a neurosurgeon to know that flood waters at sea levels as high as Everest cannot just recede.

Dude needs to put down the God-pipe and watch this

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He's a moron. People are still trying to defend him. It's funny.

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I do hope someone comes in here trying to prove the flood happened.

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David_N said:

I do hope someone comes in here trying to prove the flood happened.

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Weren't you the guys (the liberal left) that decades ago used to say King David was a myth? That Sodom and Gomorrah was a myth?

From the party that has its own 'Einsteins' who say Guam might capsize due to overpopulation? LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA

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Logicman said:

Weren't you the guys (the liberal left) that decades ago used to say King David was a myth? That Sodom and Gomorrah was a myth?

From the party that has its own 'Einsteins' who say Guam might capsize due to overpopulation? LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA

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I found one!

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If one is to believe all the global warming theories about the oceans rising to such an extent as to submerge large swaths of the world, it's not unreasonable to believe that at at least one point in earth's history there could have been extensive flooding over large parts of the planet. The Ice Age and extensive glacial coverage of large parts of the northern hemisphere is, in effect, a form of flooding that no doubt brought a lot of marine life with it and deposited it in elevated settings and other landlocked areas. Alberta's marine fossils are a prime example of that.

Clearly, marine life found on mountains simply relates to geological history and the creation of mountains from the earth's crust. What was once a sea bed could now be a mountain top.

Regardless, I always find it puzzling why some who don't share the faith beliefs of others have a visceral need to ridicule those of faith. What's it to you? I don't believe Ben Carson would be a good choice to be President, but does anyone actually believe that Ben Carson would be developing and promoting federal policy based on the Bible's teachings of the flood? Seriously?

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David_N said:

I do hope someone comes in here trying to prove the flood happened.

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I've heard people imply that those who point to facts like that the mountains rose from the sea to explain marine fossils at high altitude instead of going with God flooded the earth so that the sea rose to the heights of mountains are elitist, godless snobs. They probably eat arugula and voted for Obama.

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CanadaJohn said:

If one is to believe all the global warming theories about the oceans rising to such an extent as to submerge large swaths of the world, it's not unreasonable to believe that at at least one point in earth's history there could have been extensive flooding over large parts of the planet. The Ice Age and extensive glacial coverage of large parts of the northern hemisphere is, in effect, a form of flooding that no doubt brought a lot of marine life with it and deposited it in elevated settings and other landlocked areas. Alberta's marine fossils are a prime example of that.

Clearly, marine life found on mountains simply relates to geological history and the creation of mountains from the earth's crust. What was once a sea bed could now be a mountain top.

Regardless, I always find it puzzling why some who don't share the faith beliefs of others have a visceral need to ridicule those of faith. What's it to you? I don't believe Ben Carson would be a good choice to be President, but does anyone actually believe that Ben Carson would be developing and promoting federal policy based on the Bible's teachings of the flood? Seriously?

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Uh, maybe it's because believing in magic is a rather immature and worrisome trait to find in a leader. See George W Bush for a perfect example of what is wrong with men of great faith ruining a country in a few short years.

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CanadaJohn said:

If one is to believe all the global warming theories about the oceans rising to such an extent as to submerge large swaths of the world

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It doesn't.

Models suggest that, by area, a very small percentage of land surface will be submerged. The problem is that those areas are heavily populated.

it's not unreasonable to believe that at at least one point in earth's history there could have been extensive flooding over large parts of the planet.

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Every religion has its flood myths. This is almost certainly because almost every society has experienced damaging floods during their history. (Those societies would have absolutely no idea whether a flood was local or global.)

Recently, scientists found plant, animal and fish fossils on a high mountain in Tibet. Those samples were approximately 2-3 million years old. Needless to say, the factual evidence does not fit the Noah myth.

Regardless, I always find it puzzling why some who don't share the faith beliefs of others have a visceral need to ridicule those of faith. What's it to you?

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When it's a private belief, it's not a problem.

When it's used to torpedo science education, or used to fuel policy, it's a problem.

I don't believe Ben Carson would be a good choice to be President, but does anyone actually believe that Ben Carson would be developing and promoting federal policy based on the Bible's teachings of the flood? Seriously?

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When Bush 43 was planning to invade Iraq, he tried to convince Jacques Chirac to commit French forces, claiming that "Gog and Magog" were at work in the Middle East. Chirac had no idea what Bush was talking about, and asked his staff to figure it out. Turns out Bush was citing a bizarre interpretation of Ezekiel which suggested that Evil Forces Were At Work. (Bush Gog and Magog | Andrew Brown | Comment is free | The Guardian)

If this account is true (and it seems so): Did this determine policy? Hard to say, as there were certainly other reasons for the invasion. But it's not a good sign.

It's difficult to know if this is the case for Carson, though. Apparently he holds contradictory policy positions, thus it is nearly impossible to know what he would actually do if he got into office... let alone what he says he would do if he got into office. (Ben Carson vs. Ben Carson - POLITICO)

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calamity said:

Uh, maybe it's because believing in magic is a rather immature and worrisome trait to find in a leader. See George W Bush for a perfect example of what is wrong with men of great faith ruining a country in a few short years.

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Seriously? Every American President has claimed to be a man of deep faith and yet it's only the Republican people of faith you're ridiculing. Why is it that the American left, as represented by your biased media, only attacks Republicans on faith issues and claims that Democrats, like your current President, can't be questioned on their faith? Seems to me, if your country claims to be over 70% Christian, and if a candidate isn't a person of faith, preferably Christian, he/she isn't qualified, it's kind of ridiculous to always harp on issues of faith.

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David_N said:

I do hope someone comes in here trying to prove the flood happened.

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Its sad because flood fundamentalists probably lose sight of the moral point of the story...

That while the babylonians treasured riches and would go through this flood putting treasures on their ships, God and his followers valued life and would put animals on their ships.

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Luftwaffe said:

Its sad because flood fundamentalists probably lose sight of the moral point of the story...

That while the babylonians treasured riches and would go through this flood putting treasures on their ships,

God and his followers valued life and would put animals on their ships.

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They were the first environmentalists,eh?

:lol:

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CanadaJohn said:

If one is to believe all the global warming theories about the oceans rising to such an extent as to submerge large swaths of the world, it's not unreasonable to believe that at at least one point in earth's history there could have been extensive flooding over large parts of the planet. The Ice Age and extensive glacial coverage of large parts of the northern hemisphere is, in effect, a form of flooding that no doubt brought a lot of marine life with it and deposited it in elevated settings and other landlocked areas. Alberta's marine fossils are a prime example of that.

Clearly, marine life found on mountains simply relates to geological history and the creation of mountains from the earth's crust. What was once a sea bed could now be a mountain top.

Regardless, I always find it puzzling why some who don't share the faith beliefs of others have a visceral need to ridicule those of faith. What's it to you? I don't believe Ben Carson would be a good choice to be President, but does anyone actually believe that Ben Carson would be developing and promoting federal policy based on the Bible's teachings of the flood? Seriously?

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Global warming and rises in the ocean levels are one thing. A global flood covering all landmass except for 1 peak, not so much. There's not enough water on the planet for it.

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CanadaJohn said:

If one is to believe all the global warming theories about the oceans rising to such an extent as to submerge large swaths of the world, it's not unreasonable to believe that at at least one point in earth's history there could have been extensive flooding over large parts of the planet. The Ice Age and extensive glacial coverage of large parts of the northern hemisphere is, in effect, a form of flooding that no doubt brought a lot of marine life with it and deposited it in elevated settings and other landlocked areas. Alberta's marine fossils are a prime example of that.

Clearly, marine life found on mountains simply relates to geological history and the creation of mountains from the earth's crust. What was once a sea bed could now be a mountain top.

Regardless, I always find it puzzling why some who don't share the faith beliefs of others have a visceral need to ridicule those of faith. What's it to you? I don't believe Ben Carson would be a good choice to be President,

but does anyone actually believe that Ben Carson would be developing and promoting federal policy based on the Bible's teachings of the flood? Seriously?

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Ben Carson isn't going to be elected president of the USA. Not going to happen. There aren't enough far-right evangelicals in the USA to make that happen.

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calamity said:

I'm still stunned that a neurosurgeon like Ben Carson would believe that marine fossils found high up in the Andes are proof of the flood. :shock: Hell, is he a moron?

There are marine fossils at the summit of Everest too. Do flood believers think flood waters reached those heights too? And, if so....where pray tell did all that water go? Surely it does not take a neurosurgeon to know that flood waters at sea levels as high as Everest cannot just recede.

Dude needs to put down the God-pipe and watch this

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I don't believe in a global flood and I think that Ben Carson is one of the worst candidates in the Republican field. However, there are no internal inconsistencies in believing in a global flood and being unable to account for where the water went. A global flood already presupposes that God supernaturally intervened; if you already believe that then the question of where the water went becomes irrelevant; it could have simply been destroyed through divine intervention, same as it came into being.

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Luftwaffe said:

Its sad because flood fundamentalists probably lose sight of the moral point of the story...

That while the babylonians treasured riches and would go through this flood putting treasures on their ships, God and his followers valued life and would put animals on their ships.

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I'm not sure what flood you are referring to. Babylonians don't feature in the biblical flood narrative at all and the only ship mentioned is the one Noah built.

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David_N said:

He's a moron. People are still trying to defend him. It's funny.

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Yes, because neurosurgeons are always morons. Unlike the rocket surgeons on this board who are all geniuses. :roll:

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Logicman said:

Weren't you the guys (the liberal left) that decades ago used to say King David was a myth? That Sodom and Gomorrah was a myth?

From the party that has its own 'Einsteins' who say Guam might capsize due to overpopulation? LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA

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The Noah's Flood story is proof that God is both a flawed being and a limited being. IOW, it's my favorite Biblical story.

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Amadeus said:

The Noah's Flood story is proof that God is both a flawed being and a limited being. IOW, it's my favorite Biblical story.

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Well first you failed trying to bust the resurrection, and now you have no definitive proof Noah's flood didn't happen. Here's some recommended reading to help you out.

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Amadeus said:

The Noah's Flood story is proof that God is both a flawed being and a limited being. IOW, it's my favorite Biblical story.

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The is story is proof that it is a fictional story.

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CrabCake said:

I'm not sure what flood you are referring to. Babylonians don't feature in the biblical flood narrative at all and the only ship mentioned is the one Noah built.

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Context, the flood myth is not restricted to the one in the bible.

The Israelites during their babylonian exile created this story out of many in response to that event. The Babylonians happened to be a people who valued riches and such to an incredible extent. The flood story in the bible counteracts their beliefs about wealth by reaffirming to the Jews that life is more important and that wealth and all those other things simply just wash away anyways. What truly is important, is God's creations.

The Israelites have, time and time again, when exposed to "immoral/unethical" societies, become a little warped themselves as they stray from YAHWEH. And so as I stated before, stories like Noah's Ark provide a counteraction and reaffirm the values of the Israelites during these times of crises.

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Amadeus said:

The Noah's Flood story is proof that God is both a flawed being and a limited being. IOW, it's my favorite Biblical story.

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When taken literally, it really is.

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CanadaJohn said:

Seriously? Every American President has claimed to be a man of deep faith and yet it's only the Republican people of faith you're ridiculing. Why is it that the American left, as represented by your biased media, only attacks Republicans on faith issues and claims that Democrats, like your current President, can't be questioned on their faith? Seems to me, if your country claims to be over 70% Christian, and if a candidate isn't a person of faith, preferably Christian, he/she isn't qualified, it's kind of ridiculous to always harp on issues of faith.

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Simple, Democrats of Faith are a lot like the people I grew up with who tailored their beliefs to fit reality. Republicans, OTOH, tailor reality to match their faith, like denying evolution or claiming that marine fossils at high altitude prove a global flood. Big difference.

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CrabCake said:

I don't believe in a global flood and I think that Ben Carson is one of the worst candidates in the Republican field. However, there are no internal inconsistencies in believing in a global flood and being unable to account for where the water went. A global flood already presupposes that God supernaturally intervened; if you already believe that then the question of where the water went becomes irrelevant; it could have simply been destroyed through divine intervention, same as it came into being.

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I guess it can always be said that, "God did it." lol

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David_N said:

He's a moron. People are still trying to defend him. It's funny.

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What's funnier is people who call neurosurgeons that develop cutting edge life-saving surgery techniques, "morons."

Ben Carson is a smart as they come. He's also religious. But, so what? Most scientists are to some extent. And, so are most Presidents, such as Obama who sat for years on the front row at church listening to Rev. Wright preach creationism. Obama even called Wright his "spiritual mentor."

Anyone who is in anyway spiritual is in the same boat with Carson. As an atheist, I shake my head when I hear anyone talk of praying, taking communion, thinking virgins await them if they die a martyr or anything else superstitious. But, I'm not shallow enough to call any of them morons, especially not someone as demonstrably intelligent as Carson.