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Proof God Does Not Answer Prayer

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tosca1 said:
That's your opinion because you don't believe! If you attend church, you'll hear several testimonies from others who give thanks to God for prayers answered. I'm here at the forum, and I'm giving my testimonies - as a direct response negating the OP of this topic.
You don't like that. For obvious reasons. Understandable.
But contrary to what you think, I'm not giving it for your benefit (like as if I'll waste any more time)....:roll:
So you can simply ignore me. :)
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For every "successful prayer" you people present, you're ignoring all of the ones he didn't answer. For every person who "prayed and was healed of cancer", there are 100 who "prayed and died of cancer anyway".. You're so selfish that you think the universe revolves around you and god will change the rules of physics because you starved yourself, but all of those other people in other countries just don't believe enough so **** them right?

Your self-centeredness is disgusting.
 
Everybody has to experience their own fates and it doesnt mean god doesnt see what is happening at that moment . every pain being suffered may turn to you as an award or every crime may be punished soon or later from a divine perspective.hiding behind the argument 'god doesnt exist because he doesnt help me ' seems more childish unreasonable and emotional than belief in god .you want to believe in an idealized god ? who are you to teach god what to do ?

one of my posts about it


Medusa said:
i understand your psychology and logical approach to religions and holy books but what i cant understand is that many of you seem to be fighting against a god that does not exist.you can criticize the holy books and the believers for having stupid beliefs but you dont need to claim " the god in holy books are so violent, bigot stupid ,etc.." if there is no god.i think he doesnt have to ask your permission to be stupid or not:mrgreen:

your point of view on the concept of god is based on whether there is a proof that god exists..if there is a proof ,we stop calling ourselves" believer" .many of you are intelligent enough to be an atheist but still dont understand what god means to a believer.
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rhinefire said:
A plane is flying with a mad man at the controls. 149 people sense all is wrong as the craft descends in the middle of a mountain range. All begin eight minutes of prayer and scream for God to help and his answer was "I'm not in right now. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you as soon as possible. Good bye". When will people of faith know there is no one to help them but themselves?
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RabidAlpaca said:
For every "successful prayer" you people present, you're ignoring all of the ones he didn't answer. For every person who "prayed and was healed of cancer", there are 100 who "prayed and died of cancer anyway".. You're so selfish that you think the universe revolves around you and god will change the rules of physics because you starved yourself, but all of those other people in other countries just don't believe enough so **** them right?

Your self-centeredness is disgusting.
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Flawed atheist logic. This is proof God doesn't answer ALL prayer, an obvious straw-man. If God exists he is fully capable of answering some prayers and ignoring some others. Having an answering machine doesn't mean you never pick up.
 
KevinKohler said:
If he exists, I have every intention of doing so when I die. If he would be but so gracious as to grant me a short audience.
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I have some pertinent questions that I wish to put to him.
 
Tsunami said:
Flawed atheist logic. This is proof God doesn't answer ALL prayer, an obvious straw-man. If God exists he is fully capable of answering some prayers and ignoring some others. Having an answering machine doesn't mean you never pick up.
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Why does he answer some prayers and ignore others? I hate favouritism.
 
Tsunami said:
Flawed atheist logic. This is proof God doesn't answer ALL prayer, an obvious straw-man. If God exists he is fully capable of answering some prayers and ignoring some others. Having an answering machine doesn't mean you never pick up.
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According to the christian faith, God doesn't answer prayers, he just listens.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
For every "successful prayer" you people present, you're ignoring all of the ones he didn't answer. For every person who "prayed and was healed of cancer", there are 100 who "prayed and died of cancer anyway".. You're so selfish that you think the universe revolves around you and god will change the rules of physics because you starved yourself, but all of those other people in other countries just don't believe enough so **** them right?

Your self-centeredness is disgusting.
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Well, you're too shallow and short-sighted with your response. You're in a forum, so expect to be responded to, especially when you're responding out of ignorance (and you're defaming our God in the process).
Example: your holocaust comment! You only see the death - you don't look past your nose. You can't seem to grasp the positives that had also occurred. That, the aftermath of the holocaust is quite significant for Israel.


You're into stats. I'm not. You're keeping points against God.
I'm here responding to the topic: Proof God does not answer prayer.

So you go down to calling names and personal attacks when you can't respond rationally.
That says a lot about you, your state of well-being. You're a very, very angry person. I think there is a personal reason for this hatred of God....and I am so sorry you choose to see Him through that lens.

I'm saying, He does answers, even with trivial matters. Somebody testified about payment for his energy bills, as an example at the top of my head. In the end, His will prevails.
 
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zyzygy said:
Why does he answer some prayers and ignore others? I hate favouritism.
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Paradox, sooner or later someone would pray that there was no God, or that he would ignore a previous prayer, or two people pray for opposing outcomes. Some things are impossible even for God.
 
KevinKohler said:
If he exists, I have every intention of doing so when I die. If he would be but so gracious as to grant me a short audience.


And if he is not so gracious, what care have I about him one way or the other?
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You are confined by your earthly limitations and terms when you have no idea of the mind of G_d.
For all you know, your ability to think will expand and there will be no need for you to ask, or you could find out that you were your G_d, and the world you experienced was of your own making, etc ... Or something entirely different. :shrug:

But if you assume there is a G_d, it is lame to think there is something inherently flawed with the way G_d has things working, especially considering our limitations as just a sacks of flesh.
 
Tsunami said:
Paradox, sooner or later someone would pray that there was no God, or that he would ignore a previous prayer, or two people pray for opposing outcomes. Some things are impossible even for God.
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Imaginary beings have a hard time doing anything.
 
zyzygy said:
Or gods may be merely inventions of mankind. I wonder when primitive man first came up with the idea of the thunder and volcano gods.
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I've never seen any conclusive evidence otherwise.




"Man has created God in his own image: intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent." ~ Marie
 
Tsunami said:
Paradox, sooner or later someone would pray that there was no God, or that he would ignore a previous prayer, or two people pray for opposing outcomes. Some things are impossible even for God.
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Then God is not all powerful.
 
Excon said:
You are confined by your earthly limitations and terms when you have no idea of the mind of G_d.
For all you know, your ability to think will expand and there will be no need for you to ask, or you could find out that you were your G_d, and the world you experienced was of your own making, etc ... Or something entirely different. :shrug:
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And I'll accept that. Won't have a much of a choice on the matter, actually.
But if you assume there is a G_d, it is lame to think there is something inherently flawed with the way G_d has things working, especially considering our limitations as just a sacks of flesh.
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I am presented with a choice; believe in an all powerful being who, by all appearance and accounts, is a spiteful, merciless tyrant...or, don't believe in such a being.

Since there are equal amounts of evidence supporting either case, I wish to believe in the later, rather than the former.

Should I proven wrong the day I die, then yeah, I will gladly join the line bound for hell, before I bend the knee to a tyrant. Unless he can convince me otherwise, and NOT through fear.
 
KevinKohler said:
Since there are equal amounts of evidence supporting either case, I wish to believe in the later, rather than the former.
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What evidence supporting the latter??? Give us some....
 
rhinefire said:
A plane is flying with a mad man at the controls. 149 people sense all is wrong as the craft descends in the middle of a mountain range. All begin eight minutes of prayer and scream for God to help and his answer was "I'm not in right now. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you as soon as possible. Good bye". When will people of faith know there is no one to help them but themselves?
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I certainly hope I go like that, when I go. It would be a drag to be saved from clean, quick death only to be clobbered by cancer or some such mess.
 
tosca1 said:
Where did it say that?
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The word of the LORD came to me, saying,
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."


"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."


A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
 
tosca1 said:
Well, you're too shallow and short-sighted with your response. You're in a forum, so expect to be responded to, especially when you're responding out of ignorance (and you're defaming our God in the process).
Example: your holocaust comment! You only see the death - you don't look past your nose. You can't seem to grasp the positives that had also occurred. That, the aftermath of the holocaust is quite significant for Israel.


You're into stats. I'm not. You're keeping points against God.
I'm here responding to the topic: Proof God does not answer prayer.

So you go down to calling names and personal attacks when you can't respond rationally.
That says a lot about you, your state of well-being. You're a very, very angry person. I think there is a personal reason for this hatred of God....and I am so sorry you choose to see Him through that lens.

I'm saying, He does answers, even with trivial matters. Somebody testified about payment for his energy bills, as an example at the top of my head. In the end, His will prevails.
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All I know is that something or someone has answered my prayers at times in my life, so I'm satisfied with that.
 
countryboy said:
Oh looky, another Christian bashing thread in the "philosophical discussions" forum. Most unusual. :roll:
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Do you really feel that bashes Christians? Admitted, the philosophical depth would be hard to strike up much discussion on, but it also means that bash it cannot.
 
Tsunami said:
Any meaning of omnipotence that doesn't exclude paradox is meaningless. Though I suppose any being smart enough could find a loophole.



Faith can move mountains.
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But it can't stop planes full of people from crashing into them,eh? :roll:
 
Prayer: Because the god already knows what you want, he just want's to hear you beg. If a non-christian prays to their deity and something happens that seems like the prayer was answered, is that valid? (E.G. Praying cancer goes away, only to have it slip into remission, to bad this rarely happens and has no correlation with prayer) who here disagrees that these prayers do not get "answered."
 
We live in a violent world. History is drenched in bloodshed, there has never been a time without violence and war.
The OP mentions "evil man". Evil is real, and the evil is IN US.

Is it fair To say that all this calamity going on around us is not the fault of "evil" men, and to blame God for not intervening?
No, because clearly this world does not work that way. The question is not "Why didn't God save them?" but rather, why can we not save ourselves.

The evil is an IDEA in us... and goodness, another idea.
I'll go with the ideas that lead to goodness, sanity, less suffering. While the rest of you bicker on about senseless things, missing the point... the only point that would matter. You are all distracted, and the evil continues because of it.
 
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