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Agnostic is the only logical faith.

Pozessed said:
Many people make the claim God does not exist as if it were something they knew for a matter of fact. Just as you seem to appear. I am content with my reality, and don't feel burdened to profess my beliefs. Yet, people who feel certain God does or does not exist, are the most boisterous.
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Wow, if you don't even want to read what I said and want to attack a straw man, then please go away. I never once said it was impossible, I've even argued the opposite. What I did however state was that I don't believe in it (atheist) and that there is ZERO EVIDENCE to support his existence. When you can provide some evidence, let me know, until then, I don't believe it just like I don't believe in vampires, unicorns and leprechauns.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
What do you think about invisible pink unicorns? Do you call yourself an invisible pink unicorn agnostic because it would be too much of an intellectual jump to just say you don't believe in it? Atheism and agnosticism aren't mutually exclusive. Being an atheist does not mean that you think it's a 100% fact that there is no god, just that there is zero evidence to support the existence of one.
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Apologies - I wrote about my cows before I saw your pink unicorn example making the same point.

Well said!
 
Tim the plumber said:
That's sort of wrong.

If you do not believe in any god you are an atheist.

If you don't know if you believe in any god you are just confused.
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No. There is a difference between saying "I don't know if this God or any God or higher power exists" and saying "I don't know my own beliefs in God or a higher power".
 
Pozessed said:
In a universe of infinite possibilities, anything is possible. Except God...
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Your statement fails the logic test. If there are infinite possibilities, everything is possible, including God.

Perhaps you meant to write, "In a universe of seemingly infinite possibilities, very few things aren't possible..."
 
roguenuke said:
It isn't on me at all. It simply doesn't matter to me if you believe in Santa or not or whether you accept why I believe in a my view of Santa. It is in fact quite disrespectful to make assumptions about people's beliefs and then try to insult them with those assumptions because you don't believe. I don't care if you don't believe in something, nor will I insult you for your lack of belief, but you should give the same respect to me.

However, if you say there is a possibility that Santa exists, then you are a "Santa agnostic" only one that leans heavily toward not believing in Santa because you are admitting that you don't know if Santa exists or not.
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See, now you're backtracking and trying to say that atheism automatically means you think it's impossible for god to exist. No definition of atheism requires that. You're free to make up your own definitions of words, but no, I am not Santa-agnostic. I don't have to believe every little idiotic thing you invent just because I can't prove otherwise. I believe things when there's evidence to support those things.
 
Pozessed said:
Many people make the claim God does not exist as if it were something they knew for a matter of fact. Just as you seem to appear. I am content with my reality, and don't feel burdened to profess my beliefs. Yet, people who feel certain God does or does not exist, are the most boisterous.
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Fact.
 
Tim the plumber said:
That's sort of wrong.

If you do not believe in any god you are an atheist.

If you don't know if you believe in any god you are just confused.
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Being unconvinced is not the same thing as being confused. If you state that you have a box which contains a unicorn then it is not confusion which compels me to want to see inside that box in order to verify/reject your claim. ;)
 
roguenuke said:
It isn't on me at all. It simply doesn't matter to me if you believe in Santa or not or whether you accept why I believe in a my view of Santa. It is in fact quite disrespectful to make assumptions about people's beliefs and then try to insult them with those assumptions because you don't believe. I don't care if you don't believe in something, nor will I insult you for your lack of belief, but you should give the same respect to me.

However, if you say there is a possibility that Santa exists, then you are a "Santa agnostic" only one that leans heavily toward not believing in Santa because you are admitting that you don't know if Santa exists or not.
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To put this another way....

I believe that we don't KNOW anything. Truly. I don't KNOW that the sun will come up tomorrow. Fairly certain of it, yes. But I don't KNOW.


Agnosticism is simply an acceptance of that lack of knowing. So, earlier, when Alpaca said we don't actually KNOW anything, he confessed to being an agnostic.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Wow, if you don't even want to read what I said and want to attack a straw man, then please go away. I never once said it was impossible, I've even argued the opposite. What I did however state was that I don't believe in it (atheist) and that there is ZERO EVIDENCE to support his existence. When you can provide some evidence, let me know, until then, I don't believe it just like I don't believe in vampires, unicorns and leprechauns.
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IN YOUR OPINION there is zero evidence. As I said, your appeal, your tone, your swagger, is that you know for a fact. Your appeal draws emotion, it's bad for progressive communication on subjective matters. I'm sorry that you don't see what I am talking about. Others do though, I promise you. A writing style is like body language, it plays a role subconsciously.
 
Pozessed said:
When it comes to faith, there are three main branches. Theist, atheist, and agnostic. Theists have a belief in a higher power, and atheists have no belief in a higher power. Agnostics are the people who are comfortable saying "I don't know".
People can be agnostic and still lean more towards an atheist or theist belief. It's when a faith system is poised to be a matter of fact that it becomes harmful to healthy communication. Once a bias becomes bigoted anyways.

Sorry for stating the obvious, but some people are so cocky when presenting their faith, whether it's atheist or theist, that it appears they need to be reminded of their illogical "matter of fact" conclusions.
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Agnostic isn't a faith at all, and I notice you left out deistic faiths.
 
ocean515 said:
Your statement fails the logic test. If there are infinite possibilities, everything is possible, including God.

Perhaps you meant to write, "In a universe of seemingly infinite possibilities, very few things aren't possible..."
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I was being sarcastic. I better fix that.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
See, now you're backtracking and trying to say that atheism automatically means you think it's impossible for god to exist. No definition of atheism requires that. You're free to make up your own definitions of words, but no, I am not Santa-agnostic. I don't have to believe every little idiotic thing you invent just because I can't prove otherwise. I believe things when there's evidence to support those things.
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Some are quite happy to accept hearsay as the only evidence required. Logic works in mysterious ways. ;)
 
lizzie said:
I don't think I'd classify agnosticism as any type of faith, since it is essentially making a statement which says, "I don't know".
To me, faith implies that one believes in something.
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Since faith is accepting something as true without evidence, then if you have faith that you don't know, that means you don't know that you don't know.
 
roguenuke said:
No. There is a difference between saying "I don't know if this God or any God or higher power exists" and saying "I don't know my own beliefs in God or a higher power".
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How is "I see no evidence for any god" different to "I don't believe in any god"?
 
Jerry said:
Agnostic isn't a faith at all, and I notice you left out deistic faiths.
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Deism is a theism. I understand theism is the faith a God or Gods exist.
 
shlunka said:
I know for a fact that there is no evidence that a deity exists. The burden of proof lays upon those who assert that something that ISN'T empirically observable actually exists.
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If there were proof it would be called knowledge, not faith. Requiring proof of faith is flawed logic.
 
Jerry said:
Since faith is accepting something as true without evidence, then if you have faith that you don't know, that means you don't know that you don't know.
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Sorry, I'm tired, read that out of context.
 
Jerry said:
Since faith is accepting something as true without evidence, then if you have faith that you don't know, that means you don't know that you don't know.
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Exactly...can you believe in the unknown?
 
Tim the plumber said:
How is "I see no evidence for any god" different to "I don't believe in any god"?
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Because plenty of people believe in God even though they admit to seeing, nor having ever seen, any evidence to enforce that belief.


That's called faith.
 
Pozessed said:
Deism is a theism. I understand theism is the faith a God or Gods exist.
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Deism isn't personified, the 'god' isn't a person you can nail to a tree for suggesting how grand it would be if we were all nice to each-other. There's a big difference. Buddhism can be seen as deistic depending on how you view karma, even-though Buddhism proper sees karma as a force little different in nature than gravity or weather patterns.
 
Jerry said:
Agnostic isn't a faith at all, and I notice you left out deistic faiths.
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Agnostic is synonyms with faith. It may not be a faith, but it is necessary to remember the option is there.
 
Pozessed said:
Agnostic is synonyms with faith. It may not be a faith, but it is necessary to remember the option is there.
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Agnosticism can't be the only logical faith if it's not a faith at all.

Agnosticism can't be the only _______ faith if it's not a faith at all.
 
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