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Atheist

JP Cusick said:
This Santa Claus was my own first time that I found out that my family was telling me lies, as I still today remember it so clearly as I held onto the belief when others told me that Santa was not true, and it was a shock for me to find out that the people I trusted were all lying to me.

It damaged me for life.
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Wow! Of course my comment was in jest, but in fact was also a double-entendre. (I may have been serious...)

My view is that it is not a "lie" so much as it is a tradition. Santa is a mythical character with historical origins, but the story got changed over the years to what we have now. Not the real truth about Santa, and everyone is utterly deceived...
 
Manny said:
Wow! Of course my comment was in jest, but in fact was also a double-entendre. (I may have been serious...)

My view is that it is not a "lie" so much as it is a tradition. Santa is a mythical character with historical origins, but the story got changed over the years to what we have now. Not the real truth about Santa, and everyone is utterly deceived...
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Now what does that remind me of?
 
The British Humanists have this definition on their website.

(Humanists)

"Think for themselves about what is right and wrong, based on reason and respect for others.

Find meaning, beauty, and joy in the one life we have, without the need for an afterlife.

Look to science instead of religion as the best way to discover and understand the world.

Believe people can use empathy and compassion to make the world a better place for everyone."
 
zyzygy said:
Now what does that remind me of?
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I said it that way for a reason, yes. You may interpret it differently than I. It doesn't mean Jesus is a fake, but that we humans do not understand him, in general.
And to me, the message of Jesus is probably the most important one in the world, ever in history. Having studied many of the worlds religions I would say that the message of Jesus is unique amongst religions, and the good it has done has shaped western society to be the free, equal, fraternal system that it is today.

However for this reason, the message of Jesus is a direct threat to the authoritative system which came out of ancient Rome. Instead Rom absorbed it, became it and it became Rome. Then it was perverted to give power back to the elite. The Word was transformed into it's own antonym, and what we believe today (in general) is blasphemy, anti-thesis. In other words, dare I say it... anti-christ.
 
Manny said:
I said it that way for a reason, yes. You may interpret it differently than I. It doesn't mean Jesus is a fake, but that we humans do not understand him, in general.
And to me, the message of Jesus is probably the most important one in the world, ever in history. Having studied many of the worlds religions I would say that the message of Jesus is unique amongst religions, and the good it has done has shaped western society to be the free, equal, fraternal system that it is today.

However for this reason, the message of Jesus is a direct threat to the authoritative system which came out of ancient Rome. Instead Rom absorbed it, became it and it became Rome. Then it was perverted to give power back to the elite. The Word was transformed into it's own antonym, and what we believe today (in general) is blasphemy, anti-thesis. In other words, dare I say it... anti-christ.
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I have no problem with the message. It's the magic Jesus that I question.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The British Humanists have this definition on their website.

(Humanists)

"Think for themselves about what is right and wrong, based on reason and respect for others.

Find meaning, beauty, and joy in the one life we have, without the need for an afterlife.

Look to science instead of religion as the best way to discover and understand the world.

Believe people can use empathy and compassion to make the world a better place for everyone."
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There are two Humanist crematoriums in our area. People who do not believe in any god but wish to be cremated (after they are dead of course) go there. I've been to quite a few ceremonies in those places, including my late wife's cremation.
 
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I'm not sure that you actually need to be an atheist to be a humanist. Probably helps though.
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Medusa said:
it helps ? can you tell me how ?
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Posted by Mark Skiper;
The British Humanists have this definition on their website.

(Humanists)

"Think for themselves about what is right and wrong, based on reason and respect for others.

Find meaning, beauty, and joy in the one life we have, without the need for an afterlife.

Look to science instead of religion as the best way to discover and understand the world.

Believe people can use empathy and compassion to make the world a better place for everyone."
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If you are following the moral code of some religion you will not be so able to follow any other such code. The above will not be the basis of your relationship with the world.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Posted by Mark Skiper;


If you are following the moral code of some religion you will not be so able to follow any other such code. The above will not be the basis of your relationship with the world.
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I can show you millions of believers who fit this definition.many smart atheists confuse believers with very bigoted fundamentalists
 
Medusa said:
I can show you millions of believers who fit this definition.many smart atheists confuse believers with very bigoted fundamentalists
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In the UK the God squad does political things. It has attempted to restrict the use of fertility treatment and such things as test tube babies. This is harmful to others with no sane justification. It is evil. This is done by the most mild parts of the God squad. You are all in that category of doing insane things politically.

In the US lots of anti-thinking straight things are done in the name of Jesus. The restrictions on stem cell research for example. It's nuts. And evil. It's very bigoted.
 
Tim the plumber said:

In the UK the God squad does political things. It has attempted to restrict the use of fertility treatment and such things as test tube babies. This is harmful to others with no sane justification. It is evil. This is done by the most mild parts of the God squad. You are all in that category of doing insane things politically.

In the US lots of anti-thinking straight things are done in the name of Jesus. The restrictions on stem cell research for example. It's nuts. And evil. It's very bigoted.
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yes bigots and believers are different than each other and you have to accept thic fact

and not everything done in the name of science by atheists(or scientits) are so good
 
Medusa said:
yes bigots and believers are different than each other and you have to accept thic fact

and not everything done in the name of science by atheists(or scientits) are so good
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Take away Christianity and that goes as well.

What you are saying is exactly the same as those who say there is nothing wrong with Islam it's just being misinterpreted, that's why there are wars. My arse!

Judge by the actions of those who are Christians. The actions are evil.
 
William Rea said:
Because Goddidit is always a better answer than we don't know, yet.
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:roll: Classic pot-calling-the-kettle-black!

That kinda reflects on atheistic belief - when science says it cannot prove the non-existence of God, instead of saying "we don't know yet," here are atheists concluding, "God doesn't exist."


That brings to mind macro-evolution, too! Instead of saying, "we don't know yet," here are atheists, declaring, "COMMON ANCESTRY!"

A world-famous chemist tells the truth: there’s no scientist alive today who understands macroevolution
http://www.uncommondescent.com/inte...t-alive-today-who-understands-macroevolution/




Below is an excerpt from an expose' of the confusions/corruptions happening within the science community, straight from an insider's mouth! A very enlightening, long but detailed article.


Layman’s Reflections on Evolution and Creation. An Insider’s View of the Academy

I do have scientific problems understanding macroevolution as it is usually presented. I simply can not accept it as unreservedly as many of my scientist colleagues do, although I sincerely respect them as scientists. Some of them seem to have little trouble embracing many of evolution’s proposals based upon (or in spite of) archeological, mathematical, biochemical and astrophysical suggestions and evidence, and yet few are experts in all of those areas, or even just two of them. Although most scientists leave few stones unturned in their quest to discern mechanisms before wholeheartedly accepting them, when it comes to the often gross extrapolations between observations and conclusions on macroevolution, scientists, it seems to me, permit unhealthy leeway. When hearing such extrapolations in the academy, when will we cry out, “The emperor has no clothes!”?

Some are disconcerted or even angered that I signed a statement back in 2001 along with over 700 other scientists: “We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”�

Well, that is all I am saying: I do not understand. But I am saying it publicly as opposed to privately.
Does anyone understand the chemical details behind macroevolution? If so, I would like to sit with that person and be taught, so I invite them to meet with me. Lunch will be my treat. Until then, I will maintain that no chemist understands, hence we are collectively bewildered. And I have not even addressed origin of first life issues. For me, that is even more scientifically mysterious than evolution.

James M Tour Group » Evolution/Creation


And speaking of the origin of life! Oh boy....the list is getting longer! :lol:
Instead of saying, "we do not know yet," atheists are claiming, "there is no creation! Nothing came from nothing!" Atheists who still cling to evolution as a solid fact, are simply, in denial!

And you dare give that comment about Creationists? You guys better understand the platform you're standing on before you make fun of others. See? Your comment boomeranged three times on you. :lol:

"Cutesy" little coined words like, "Goddidit" - may sound "brilliant" to some teens - but it does not validate the atheistic position. :mrgreen:
 
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Tim the plumber said:

In the UK the God squad does political things. It has attempted to restrict the use of fertility treatment and such things as test tube babies. This is harmful to others with no sane justification. It is evil. This is done by the most mild parts of the God squad. You are all in that category of doing insane things politically.

In the US lots of anti-thinking straight things are done in the name of Jesus. The restrictions on stem cell research for example. It's nuts. And evil. It's very bigoted.
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Tell me frankly, Tim - you're an atheist because of politics? Because of the influence of religion?
 
JP Cusick said:
I really am not against Christianity as I am just against the wrong Christian doctrines.

As in Jesus has to be divine or else I am anti-Christian, well no, Jesus is not divine and Christians simply have that wrong.
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"Wrong"- according to your own translation. You can say "you have the knowledge" or you "did your own research," ....and I say, I don't agree because your knowledge (and where or how you got it), is wrong. I have a basis for saying that.

Your understanding of it is wrong, based on what's clearly in the Bible! Different versions of mainstream Bibles are consistent in the main message - and I think scholars who'd all agreed with each other regarding the translations, have the credibility!

Well, at least you're honest where you stand. However, we have opposing belief about Christ hence,
we'll never agree on that one. :shrug:
 
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tosca1 said:
Tell me frankly, Tim - you're an atheist because of politics? Because of the influence of religion?
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I am an atheist because I see no justification in believing in the great sky daddy. I don't like lying so it's always been that way.

I am vocal and confrontational about it because I see the damage religion does.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Take away Christianity and that goes as well.

What you are saying is exactly the same as those who say there is nothing wrong with Islam it's just being misinterpreted, that's why there are wars. My arse!

Judge by the actions of those who are Christians. The actions are evil.
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many things written in Qoran may contradict today'S social life and democracy but it was a reformist movement when it began to spread its influence among arabians
 
Medusa said:
many things written in Qoran may contradict today'S social life and democracy but it was a reformist movement when it began to spread its influence among arabians
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Yep, he reformed the idea that caravans were not to be robed, their people killed and enslaved.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The British Humanists have this definition on their website.

(Humanists)

"Think for themselves about what is right and wrong, based on reason and respect for others.

Find meaning, beauty, and joy in the one life we have, without the need for an afterlife.

Look to science instead of religion as the best way to discover and understand the world.

Believe people can use empathy and compassion to make the world a better place for everyone."
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In that case then I am with these people too.

Count me in.



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Manny said:
Wow! Of course my comment was in jest, but in fact was also a double-entendre. (I may have been serious...)

My view is that it is not a "lie" so much as it is a tradition. Santa is a mythical character with historical origins, but the story got changed over the years to what we have now. Not the real truth about Santa, and everyone is utterly deceived...
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A lie is a lie.

It is just that young children are not able to call out the liars.
 
Tim the plumber said:

I am an atheist because I see no justification in believing in the great sky daddy. I don't like lying so it's always been that way.

I am vocal and confrontational about it because I see the damage religion does.
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The Magdalene Laundries come to mind.
 
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