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Atheist

JP Cusick said:
There is a very serious and aggressive attack against religion in the USA
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Not sure which is more appropriate for this kind of nonsense:

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Dovkan said:
All of this can be applied to the Quran, and are all the Hindus wrong to? LOL.
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I happen to be one of the religious liberals who actually like all religions so yes the Qur'an and the Hindu are fine with me as there are some powerful truths in everything and we must separate the trash from the valuables in every case.

There are great things to be found in the Bible, but Christianity has distorted everything into their own nonsense.

I am happy to reject all religions, but the God thing is not to be rejected, and the various worldwide scriptures can stand on their own.

Of course myself being liberal with all religions thereby makes so all religions reject me. :3oops:

Dovkan said:
That's not a prophecy coming true, it's shaping it to seem like it came true.
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A lot of prophetic claims are twisted and shaped to fit into the criteria - but not that one.

That one is different then the others which can not stand up under scrutiny.

Dovkan said:
Atheism is simply not believing in deistic/theistic entities, that is all there is to it.
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I like the definition where Atheism simply means literally "no God" because to "not believe" is in fact a type of belief.

When science simply excludes God as in "no-god" then it is much closer to the truth.

As like saying that one does not believe God was involved in the Big-Bang then that is a belief and it is projecting a different message then simply no-God in the message.

The Big-Bang happened so why it happened is still debatable.

I myself reject the Christian notion and vision of God as theirs is total rubbish, but the real Creator and Jesus Christ are another matter as those are real.

Both Christianity and Christ are two (2) completely separate realities.
 
edward222 said:
hhhhhhhmmmm I didnt know that
atheism is popular in U.S????

I thought US is a country that is full of christian...
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Atheist generally aren't outspoken about their beliefs. They have no reason to be, thus although they are a fairly large group in the US, they don't "feel" like a large group. I also suspect that lot's of atheists in the US attend church for business and social reasons.
 
JP Cusick said:
I happen to be one of the religious liberals who actually like all religions so yes the Qur'an and the Hindu are fine with me as there are some powerful truths in everything and we must separate the trash from the valuables in every case.

There are great things to be found in the Bible, but Christianity has distorted everything into their own nonsense.

I am happy to reject all religions, but the God thing is not to be rejected, and the various worldwide scriptures can stand on their own.

Of course myself being liberal with all religions thereby makes so all religions reject me. :3oops:


A lot of prophetic claims are twisted and shaped to fit into the criteria - but not that one.

That one is different then the others which can not stand up under scrutiny.


I like the definition where Atheism simply means literally "no God" because to "not believe" is in fact a type of belief.

When science simply excludes God as in "no-god" then it is much closer to the truth.

As like saying that one does not believe God was involved in the Big-Bang then that is a belief and it is projecting a different message then simply no-God in the message.

The Big-Bang happened so why it happened is still debatable.

I myself reject the Christian notion and vision of God as theirs is total rubbish, but the real Creator and Jesus Christ are another matter as those are real.

Both Christianity and Christ are two (2) completely separate realities.
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OK, I'll say it yet again.

1, If you like/believe in all gods do you include the nasty ones? Aztec sacrifice of people? Carthaginian killing the first born son?

2, Atheist means that you do not believe in god/God. That's it it does not mean that that is a belief in the same way that you do not believe in the flying spaghetti monster. It might be OK to say that it denotes a level of confidence rather than the agnostic position.

3, What evidence do you have for the divinity of Jesus? You don't have any. It's all drivel.
 
Tim the plumber said:

1, If you like/believe in all gods do you include the nasty ones? Aztec sacrifice of people? Carthaginian killing the first born son?
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You continue to make the mistake by NOT separating the Gods from the people.

Just because the Aztec people or Carthaginians claimed that they made human sacrifice to their God (or Gods) then that does not make it true or accurate.

Christianity claimed that the Crusades were an act of God under the name of Jesus Christ and those Christian people were not true.

Christians claim that lost souls are burning in some "Hell" and that too is not real and not true.

To throw away religion is not the same mistake as to throw away God.

And concerning human sacrifice then a great Christian Lady named of Ellen G. White (I give her the credit) told a message which I tend to agree that all of humanity since the ancient times of antiquity have had some inner understanding that there had to be a "Savior" as a sacrifice for human sins, and as such this inner knowledge is why human sacrifice can be found in every culture and the sacrifice was always intended to be an innocent or pure victim because they some how knew about a coming SAVIOR.

In the Bible where Abraham was going to sacrifice his son Isaac then it tells that God stopped that sacrifice and the importance of that story is that it marked the end of human sacrifice among the Hebrews. Genesis 22:11-12

Apparently it is very difficult even for God to get us humans to stop or to restrain our barbaric cruelties.

Tim the plumber said:

2, Atheist means that you do not believe in god/God. That's it it does not mean that that is a belief in the same way that you do not believe in the flying spaghetti monster. It might be OK to say that it denotes a level of confidence rather than the agnostic position.
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What you are describing is anti-God which is different from Atheism of no-God.

Atheist just literally means no God(s), so a true Atheist is not anti-God because if there is no-God then one can not be "anti" to some thing which is not there.

You do not go out preaching that there is no "flying spaghetti monster" because you are not anti-flying spaghetti monster.

I agree with you that most of Atheism is just anti-god and anti-religion but technically that is a pro-active and aggressive form of Atheism.

Tim the plumber said:

3, What evidence do you have for the divinity of Jesus? You don't have any. It's all drivel.
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I do not claim any divinity to Jesus as I really see that claim to lower and degrade Jesus so that if Jesus was "divine" then His sacrifice was really just a charade.

We really have to separate Christianity from Jesus because they are vastly different things.

Christianity is a huge bunch of people who make claims about Jesus and about God and the Christian people are very wrong and misguided.

Since you know that Jesus was not divine then that puts you closer to the truth then are the Christians who see Jesus as divine.
 
edward222 said:
Just simple and quick question...

whats your reason for not believing?
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Same reason I don't believe there is intelligent life on Mars. Lack of credible evidence.

And it isn't for a lack of looking. I was raised Christian and deconversion was a very painful process for me.
 
edward222 said:
theist - a believer..
atheist- non believer...

antonym if theist is atheist..
non-atheist... so your not believing...
probably its similar to atheist..but i dont know if their the same.
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So is a baby an atheist since it does not believe in god/s?
 
JP Cusick said:
Everything in the USA is mixed up or misleading or confused.

There is a very serious and aggressive attack against religion in the USA, so that the schools and colleges all teach anti-religion doctrines especially the anti God version of Evolution....[snip]
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What is the anti-god version of evolution?
 
JP Cusick said:
I do not claim any divinity to Jesus as I really see that claim to lower and degrade Jesus so that if Jesus was "divine" then His sacrifice was really just a charade.

We really have to separate Christianity from Jesus because they are vastly different things.

Christianity is a huge bunch of people who make claims about Jesus and about God and the Christian people are very wrong and misguided.

Since you know that Jesus was not divine then that puts you closer to the truth then are the Christians who see Jesus as divine.
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joG said:
Read Dawkins.
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I'd rather just have it summed up for me...Color me lazy. Plus there is a lot of value in listening to how people paraphrase what they have read. You can often detect the bias in the way they recount what they've read.
 
csbrown28 said:
So is a baby an atheist since it does not believe in god/s?
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Yes. A "weak atheist".

Weak atheism = lacking a belief in a god or gods
Strong atheism = a belief that a god or gods do not exist.
 
"Except ye become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."
 
csbrown28 said:
I'd rather just have it summed up for me...Color me lazy. Plus there is a lot of value in listening to how people paraphrase what they have read. You can often detect the bias in the way they recount what they've read.
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That is a good part of the fun in a forum.
 
JP Cusick said:
You continue to make the mistake by NOT separating the Gods from the people.

Just because the Aztec people or Carthaginians claimed that they made human sacrifice to their God (or Gods) then that does not make it true or accurate.

Christianity claimed that the Crusades were an act of God under the name of Jesus Christ and those Christian people were not true.

Christians claim that lost souls are burning in some "Hell" and that too is not real and not true.

To throw away religion is not the same mistake as to throw away God.

And concerning human sacrifice then a great Christian Lady named of Ellen G. White (I give her the credit) told a message which I tend to agree that all of humanity since the ancient times of antiquity have had some inner understanding that there had to be a "Savior" as a sacrifice for human sins, and as such this inner knowledge is why human sacrifice can be found in every culture and the sacrifice was always intended to be an innocent or pure victim because they some how knew about a coming SAVIOR.

In the Bible where Abraham was going to sacrifice his son Isaac then it tells that God stopped that sacrifice and the importance of that story is that it marked the end of human sacrifice among the Hebrews. Genesis 22:11-12

Apparently it is very difficult even for God to get us humans to stop or to restrain our barbaric cruelties.


What you are describing is anti-God which is different from Atheism of no-God.

Atheist just literally means no God(s), so a true Atheist is not anti-God because if there is no-God then one can not be "anti" to some thing which is not there.

You do not go out preaching that there is no "flying spaghetti monster" because you are not anti-flying spaghetti monster.

I agree with you that most of Atheism is just anti-god and anti-religion but technically that is a pro-active and aggressive form of Atheism.


I do not claim any divinity to Jesus as I really see that claim to lower and degrade Jesus so that if Jesus was "divine" then His sacrifice was really just a charade.

We really have to separate Christianity from Jesus because they are vastly different things.

Christianity is a huge bunch of people who make claims about Jesus and about God and the Christian people are very wrong and misguided.

Since you know that Jesus was not divine then that puts you closer to the truth then are the Christians who see Jesus as divine.
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Right, I am now of the opinion that you are just dodging around ideas by changing the definition of words.

I am an aggressive atheist. At least when confronted by people either trying to convert me or trying to impose their warped and evil morals over others due to some sort of insane assumption that their professed belief in the Great Sky Daddy makes them better at deciding how other people should live than those people themselves.

Whilst that is easy for everybody to understand where I am coming from your position is as defined as fog.

You talk of being a believer in Jesus but that he was not divine. Well, OK, so some rabbi went around Judea doing unlicensed preaching and was killed for it. And? Lots of people have done that sort of thing. That does not make his words any good.

You will of course never set down your beliefs in any way which restricts your freedom of action. You will never specify how it is you know that your beliefs are more than your own thoughts. Your position is that you know God but that you will not be held to scrutiny about it but will slag off anybody else's moral code. Have a nice day.
 
Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
I'd rather just have it summed up for me...Color me lazy. Plus there is a lot of value in listening to how people paraphrase what they have read. You can often detect the bias in the way they recount what they've read.
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joG said:
You mean it's the doggy thing? you walk up to the tree, you'd better be able to lift the leg without falling over?
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Yes. Your inability to directly answer his challenge makes it seem that you are unable to express your view on this subject, that would be the equivalent of not knowing how to piss for yourself.
 
Tim the plumber said:

Yes. Your inability to directly answer his challenge makes it seem that you are unable to express your view on this subject, that would be the equivalent of not knowing how to piss for yourself.
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But don't you understand that there is no new answer to the thread's question. So why criticize a little mild banter.
 
joG said:
But don't you understand that there is no new answer to the thread's question. So why criticize a little mild banter.
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You claimed that the teaching of evolution, that would be the version that is scientifically substantiated, is anti-God. Then when challenged you just throw drivel back in an attempt to make a smoke screen. You thus make yourself look weak. And wrong.
 
Tim the plumber said:
You claimed that the teaching of evolution, that would be the version that is scientifically substantiated, is anti-God. Then when challenged you just throw drivel back in an attempt to make a smoke screen. You thus make yourself look weak. And wrong.
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Where did you get that idea? I would never say anything silly like that. Get your thoughts straight, why don't you.
 
Dovkan said:
You don't know that, stop telling me that, it's my experience, I know I'm right, you can't tell me otherwise because I've seen it.
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Have you seen God?
 
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