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Atheism has been taken over by Idiocy?[W:82, 506]

Re: Atheism has been taken over by Idiocy?

Since I can not prove the Big Bang "theory" I should accept all things unprovable. Awesome. How not like 5th grade logic is that?


I know. It's funny....

They display the same faith that they ridicule, and abhor among believers. The pot calling the kettle black!
The article truly point out the obvious: they don't....or can't even recognize it.

It's the height of hypocrisy - at least the religious claim it to be for what it is: faith.
 
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That is stretching it into the realm of idiocy. The Kippah problem deals not with atheist, but those in the Islamic faith. I'm sorry, but in a free society, one shouldn't have to worry about offending someone else with items pertaining to religious apparel, especially when that faith wants people to look at them as "peaceful."

I would certainly agree. An interesting proposal from a journalist was for "as many as possible" Germans to wear Jewish garb, so they would be indistinguishable from the Germans. I loved the subtlety or unintentional irony of that.
 
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There's the standard ratio of idiots that's always there no matter what group you're talking about, but that's a given.

I agree.


Except that the idiots don't usually write books, and become repeated bestsellers! That says a lot when you consider how many people gobble up these books, and you can see them influenced by idiocy - all you have to do is go to atheist sites and see how many repeat the same garbage.
 
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I know. It's funny....

They display the same faith that they ridicule, and abhor among believers. The pot calling the kettle black!
The article truly point out the obvious: they don't....or can't even recognize it.

It's the height of hypocrisy - at least the religious claim it to be for what it is: faith.

You have demonstrated dozens of times that your ignorance of atheism and agnosticism is exponentially ginormous.

Please try not to define something you know nothing about.
 
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I know. They display the same faith that they ridicule, and abhor among believers. The pot calling the kettle black! The article truly point out the obvious: they don't....or can't even recognize it.

It's the height of hypocrisy - at least the religious claim it to be for what it is: faith.

You are incorrectly using the term faith. I have no need to believe the Big Bang theory as truth. I accept the premise of theory. Not as proven fact.

Can you say with the same conviction that you believe in God as a theory and not fact?

Lets compare our hypocrisies.
 
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You have demonstrated dozens of times that your ignorance of atheism and agnosticism is exponentially ginormous.

Please try not to define something you know nothing about.

:roll:


I suppose you don't have anything to counter, nothing to use for a rebut......

.......except that pathetic puny squeak. That sounds more like a croak. :lol:
 
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I agree.


Except that the idiots don't usually write books, and become repeated bestsellers! That says a lot when you consider how many people gobble up these books, and you can see them influenced by idiocy - all you have to do is go to atheist sites and see how many repeat the same garbage.

You're kidding me, right?

Idiots love hearing themselves speak. They do stuff like that all the time.

Perhaps you just only dislike the idiocy spewed by the opposition.
 
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You are incorrectly using the term faith. I have no need to believe the Big Bang theory as truth. I accept the premise of theory. Not as proven fact.

Can you say with the same conviction that you believe in God as a theory and not fact?

Lets compare our hypocrisies.


I suppose I can. I think that's what I've been doing most of the time when I discuss out of Religion section - trying to set aside arguments based simply on faith - I have to, if I'm to discuss with a non-believer!

If you're an agnostic....there isn't a comparison between us.

Agnostics are in a safe position. They won't make a stand. They're sitting on the fence.
They wait for the EMPIRICAL evidence.

I, however, had supported my belief on the "theory" that God exists based on several factors (which all adds up).
I have a basis for that "theory" - even if I don't have the "smoking gun," so to speak.
I do have circumstantial evidences - which can also get a person convicted in the court of law.


Can you clarify and answer this for me:

As an agnostic (if you are)....can you say there isn't any possibility that God might exist?
 
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You're kidding me, right?

Idiots love hearing themselves speak. They do stuff like that all the time.

Perhaps you just only dislike the idiocy spewed by the opposition.

???

You don't like my response?
 
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You are incorrectly using the term faith. I have no need to believe the Big Bang theory as truth. I accept the premise of theory. Not as proven fact.

Can you say with the same conviction that you believe in God as a theory and not fact?

Lets compare our hypocrisies.

My evidence as a believer has more explanatory power than that of an atheist.

The universe as an example. It either exist by chance, or by design.
The natural laws and constants - empirical evidence - all indicate design more than chance.
 
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I suppose I can. I think that's what I've been doing most of the time when I discuss out of Religion section - trying to set aside arguments based simply on faith - I have to, if I'm to discuss with a non-believer!

If you're an agnostic....there isn't a comparison between us.

Agnostics are in a safe position. They won't make a stand. They're sitting on the fence.
They wait for the EMPIRICAL evidence.

I, however, had supported my belief on the "theory" that God exists based on several factors (which all adds up).
I have a basis for that "theory" - even if I don't have the "smoking gun," so to speak.
I do have circumstantial evidences - which can also get a person convicted in the court of law.


Can you clarify and answer this for me:

As an agnostic (if you are)....can you say there isn't any possibility that God might exist?
If there was even just a slight evidence that gods exist I can guarantee you there would be no atheists. But there isnt any.

As for myself I used to be a militant atheist but some of the nicest people Ive met happen to be religious so now I pretty much will not speak out against any religion as long as they dont impose their dogma on me, thats my personal code.
 
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If there was even just a slight evidence that gods exist I can guarantee you there would be no atheists. But there isnt any.

As for myself I used to be a militant atheist but some of the nicest people Ive met happen to be religious so now I pretty much will not speak out against any religion as long as they dont impose their dogma on me, thats my personal code.

I respect you for your belief....but your first statement cannot be taken as a rebuttal. That's simply your opinion. Texan is talking about looking at this as a theory. That's what I'm responding to.

I'm taking this to terms that you all can relate to. Theory.
 
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Warning - theist response ahead.

Interesting that you'd take issue with something Aunt Spiker said. She's not exactly the defender of all things and all persons religious. Is it your position that there's not room, at all, for criticism of certain atheists? That's some strong faith you have right there. ;)

I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

I do take issue with it but, not because I think Atheism is above criticism at all. I am aware that there is this 'New Atheist' meme where, certain people are critical of atheists that are 'coming out of the kitchen, and doing it for themselves' rather than hiding away for fear of upsetting or even getting reprisals from the religious entitlement crowd. I was curious about what this criticism might be and how common it is among atheists. I for one am glad that we are getting to a point where we can say, 'I'm atheist and proud'; It's been a long time coming.
 
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Aunt Spiker can call herself whatever she likes. If she and others want to be labeled Agnostic instead of Atheist out of spite for the actions of few let them. I'll just accept that there is one more person who doesn't believe or chooses to acknowledge a faith in a god or gods.

I agree largely with what you say here, my problem I guess, is that labelling something 'idiocy' without clarifying what the 'idiocy' is is kind of counter productive and, I didn't want to derail the other thread.
 
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And who is responding the most????? :roll:

Rather typical isn't it?

They are free to respond, I'd rather they didn't but, I won't clutter up the thread responding to them. :)
 
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Yep - the whole "Atheism is a religion" and "Anti-religious" and "Fantactical Anti-Religious . . . we're going to go to extremes, legal and otherwise, just to show how much we hate religion."

I cannot tolerate that tripe and now I no longer associate myself with any of it. I'm irreligious - and I am capable of respecting religions (was raised religious). My views don't leech out like a toxin these days.

Well, I would counter that by saying that those who are falling over themselves to be moderate about religion and not step on the toes of the entitlement culture are doing just as much damage. The point is that regarding theism, there has been a shift in liberal democracies towards secularism but, we are a long way away from a moderate detente position in many many countries and not just the extreme ones.
 
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I don't really see anything getting worse. There's the standard ratio of idiots that's always there no matter what group you're talking about, but that's a given. That ratio seems as stable as always.

Atheism has always been a category that actually has relatively decent ratios of reasonable people, I think. At least after high school. There's always some fedora-wearing Machiavellians in sophmore year or something, but as far as the grown-ups, I've always thought it did well.

To me, the atheist/theist conversation seems the same as ever. Most of it never gets passed defining what an atheist is, for exactly the reason you gave: people just making up definitions for it and attaching whatever they want. The majority of atheists don't care enough about religion to bother discussing it, so you don't hear from them much. Those who do are often substantially into philosophy, and within that minority I find a uniquely high rate of good conversationalists.

Atheist "idiocy" or even "militancy" seems to mean "any atheist who ever talks about atheism." Interestingly, even some atheists buy into that -- especially ones who live in the South, I've noticed. They join the chorus of shaming atheists who have ever so much as admitted they're atheist, and then they do this weird little dance back over the theists looking for their head-pat.

I am guessing it's a self-advertising technique developed by people who don't have many like-minded or even tolerant people to rely on to support or acceptance. So if they want to be popular (why any grown-up would care, I don't know, but some do), they have to come up with some way to endear themselves to the people who control the social scene, even though those same people hate atheists.

Incidentally, those people are some of the most idiotic atheists out there. Totally incapable of having a reasoned discussion, because their goal isn't discussion in the first place. Their goal is self-promotion, trying to sell themselves to the people who hate them and trust them less than a rapist. So they inflame other atheists until they get a clap and a cookie. I don't get it.

I agree that everybody everywhere seems to have a tour, book, film or play that they are shilling via the media, it is an industry and the first question anyone should ask themselves is, 'what is this person selling'.
 
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I for one am glad that we are getting to a point where we can say, 'I'm atheist and proud'; It's been a long time coming.

Generally speaking I agree.

However, I just can't think of many situations out in the real world where such proclamations are relevant to normal life.
When do opportunities to say such things present themselves in reality?

My beliefs, and/or more specifically lack of beliefs are such a minor part of who I am that I feel no "calling" to announce such a thing publicly.

Like I said, no bumper stickers, no tattoos, no t-shirts.....
 
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My evidence as a believer has more explanatory power than that of an atheist.

The universe as an example. It either exist by chance, or by design.
The natural laws and constants - empirical evidence - all indicate design more than chance.

Which is meaningless to my question.

"Explanatory power" is in no way proof of anything. You have the explanatory power to detect the universe...not that the universe was created by GOD. You have to use your Explanatory powers to accept that the Universe exists because you have not seen it for yourself. ergo you accept the Universe exists and you have formulated the theory that God was the power that created it.

I accept no theory of the creation of the Universe as fact...You accept the theory that GOD created the Universe. Big difference.
 
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I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

I do take issue with it but, not because I think Atheism is above criticism at all. I am aware that there is this 'New Atheist' meme where, certain people are critical of atheists that are 'coming out of the kitchen, and doing it for themselves' rather than hiding away for fear of upsetting or even getting reprisals from the religious entitlement crowd. I was curious about what this criticism might be and how common it is among atheists. I for one am glad that we are getting to a point where we can say, 'I'm atheist and proud'; It's been a long time coming.

See this is how I know that this not just a simple lack of belief as some like to claim. For you, and not just you, it's your very identity. An actual rallying point. It's not simply lacking belief, it's hostility for those who do have them coupled with a healthy persecution complex. The funny thing is that if you were a believer, you'd be the type you love to hate.
 
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See this is how I know that this not just a simple lack of belief as some like to claim. For you, and not just you, it's your very identity. An actual rallying point. It's not simply lacking belief, it's hostility for those who do have them coupled with a healthy persecution complex. The funny thing is that if you were a believer, you'd be the type you love to hate.

And what your response indicates is how a reasonable call for the right for atheists to be able to declare their atheism is so easily treated as an extreme position. Quite frankly, it shows how far we have yet to go to overcome the religious entitlement culture.
 
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And what your response indicates is how a reasonable call for the right for atheists to be able to declare their atheism is so easily treated as an extreme position. Quite frankly, it shows how far we have yet to go to overcome the religious entitlement culture.

Fine. Declare it. Whose saying you don't or shouldn't have that right? I'll totally talk to them about it. It's obviously an important part of your very identity and, far from saying you're being extreme, I totally understand it. My faith is very important to me as well.
 
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This suggestion was made in another thread...

(my spelling correction)


I'm not sure that I really understand what this 'idiocy' might be but, I suspect that it is the baggage that is being attached to Atheism by people with an agenda. Be sure that Atheism is nothing other than a statement about a lack of belief, it says nothing about science, politics or any other human endeavours.

What I observe of late is atheists starting to speak openly about their lack of belief and challenge 'belief' rather than sit back and be cowed by the entitlement culture of religion that has pervaded our lives for thousands of years. Am I wrong?

Note - I am not particularly interested in any response from theists.

From the reaction it would appear she is right.

One poster, not known for defending Christianity makes one comment in one sentence and you have to make a whole campaign out of it.

At the very least atheism has been taken over by highly excitable and over-reactive people with way too much time on their hands.

Watch the blood pressure, OK?
 
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