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Hell question

faithful_servant said:
God doesn't torture people for eternity. When the angels rebelled, God created a hell for them. With mankind, He has given us every possible opportunity to not go there as well. If we end up in Hell, it's by OUR CHOICE, not His. Anyone who ends up in Hell, got there based on their choice to reject God.
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If even one person goes to hell, jesus died for nothing.

This thread is an exposition on the moral bankruptcy of Christianity: "do what we want or be tortured".

No one goes to hell because there is no hell and no bronze-age book stands as evidence to the contrary.
 
CMPancake said:
The main difference is that the Christians in America are not literally burning people alive for their Religious dogma. Not anymore anyway.



Why did God create hell for then, barbecue parties? There's plenty of quotes in both New and Old Testaments that being sent to hell is "God's Wraith." So the statement "god tortures people in hell" isn't incorrect.
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In the case of the Jewish scriptures, any reference to what the Christains refer to as 'the pit' or hell can more properly be translated as 'the grave, not 'hell or the pit'. As a matter of fact, the only clear reference to the afterlife at all is in the Book of Daniel, which was written in the mid to late 2nd century bce. IT is part of the Ketuvim, or the writings for a reason.

The Jewish faith does not believe in Hell. The closest that it comes to that is the concept of 'Ghennah' , where souls will spend up to 1 year being cleansed before either going to 'the world to come' or being granted obliteration. This was mentioned in the Zohar, a 12th century document, and is a much later concept, rather than from the per-christian era.
 
lizzie said:
Actually, according to Christian doctrine, it's a free will issue, not one of a God who tortures. The torture, if you believe in the doctrine, is in Hell, and God doesn't condemn anyone to hell- they condemn themselves.
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pssh, like there's any difference

god creates hell and then sends ppl there - for any reason - is as much his doing as theirs
 
lizzie said:
Actually, according to Christian doctrine, it's a free will issue, not one of a God who tortures. The torture, if you believe in the doctrine, is in Hell, and God doesn't condemn anyone to hell- they condemn themselves.
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Small consolation if happened to be a female accused of witchcraft in Salem.
 
Crovax said:
Not any church I have been to nor any scriptural evidence to back that up
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Are you saying that God didn't create Satan and hell? He created them and can destroy it, but he doesn't because he finds it useful. Everything n existence is here because he wanted it to be. We're playing his game by his rules.

How can you possibly try to disassociate the existence of hell from God's will? He could've made the punishment for being born in the wrong place or picking the wrong religion to be anything, but he chose it to be everlasting torture.

To top the sadistic behavior off he gives us no proof that any one religion is more right than another so we simply have to guess.
faithful_servant said:
God doesn't torture people for eternity. When the angels rebelled, God created a hell for them. With mankind, He has given us every possible opportunity to not go there as well. If we end up in Hell, it's by OUR CHOICE, not His. Anyone who ends up in Hell, got there based on their choice to reject God.
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There are thousands of religions to choose from and no one can prove one religion right over another. Why am I going to be tortured for all of eternity for not picking the one right religion out of thousands? How is that "every chance"?

Many Christian denominations don't even believe in hell so if Christians don't have a consensus how can the average person trying to choose the right religion?
 
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Texmex said:
Since this Jordanian pilot was burned to death I have been thinking. There was outrage all across America at this inhumane act. Yet, so many of these same people have no problem worshiping a God who is going, according to their beliefs, torture people for eternity. These people go to church and sing praise and talk about how wonderful and loving God is, but seem oblivious to the demented torture this God I going to bestow on millions of people. Strange.
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It's fear based nonsense meant to control you.
 
The Catholic priest said to the mayor you keep them poor and I'll keep them stupid.
 
Texmex said:
Since this Jordanian pilot was burned to death I have been thinking. There was outrage all across America at this inhumane act. Yet, so many of these same people have no problem worshiping a God who is going, according to their beliefs, torture people for eternity. These people go to church and sing praise and talk about how wonderful and loving God is, but seem oblivious to the demented torture this God I going to bestow on millions of people. Strange.
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Oblivious?

They're NOT oblivious - and that is why they go to church, imagining that being godly and holy will keep them from it.

It's not something GOD does to you - it's something you do to yourself by being a bad (etc) person. The idea behind hell is it's something you bring on yourself - someone else, not even god, foists it on you.

And it has nothing ot do with humans burning humans alive - wtf.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Oblivious?

They're NOT oblivious - and that is why they go to church, imagining that being godly and holy will keep them from it.

It's not something GOD does to you - it's something you do to yourself by being a bad (etc) person. The idea behind hell is it's something you bring on yourself - someone else, not even god, foists it on you.

And it has nothing ot do with humans burning humans alive - wtf.
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Well if it's up to me then I choose not to go and therefore you have nothing to preach about. Problem = solved.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Oblivious?

They're NOT oblivious - and that is why they go to church, imagining that being godly and holy will keep them from it.

It's not something GOD does to you - it's something you do to yourself by being a bad (etc) person. The idea behind hell is it's something you bring on yourself - someone else, not even god, foists it on you.

And it has nothing ot do with humans burning humans alive - wtf.
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God allegedly created the universe and everything in it, to include the punishment and reward systems. According to christianity this Jordanian pilot has been cast into a lake of fire and will burn in hell for all of eternity. According to you he did it to himself by rejecting christ. How could a man born to a muslim family in Jordan possibly turn out christian? There is absolutely no evidence of any kind to prove one religion right over the other, so it comes down to a guessing game. Which of the thousands of religions out there are right, and if we choose wrong, we get tortured by god forever. Don't for one second act like it's our choice. That is absolutely ****ing absurd.

Your statement is like saying "It's not the guy's fault who built the dungeon in his basement and locked you in it for the rest of your life to torture you, it's your fault for not doing exactly what he wanted you to. That was your choice."

Texmex said:
Since this Jordanian pilot was burned to death I have been thinking. There was outrage all across America at this inhumane act. Yet, so many of these same people have no problem worshiping a God who is going, according to their beliefs, torture people for eternity. These people go to church and sing praise and talk about how wonderful and loving God is, but seem oblivious to the demented torture this God I going to bestow on millions of people. Strange.
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That's one of the things that bothers me the most about christianity. Christians pretend like they are compassionate and care about people but all they actually care about is that they won't burn because they're on the 'winning side'. They condemn such behavior from men, but when their god does something a million times more sadistic, he's a loving merciful god.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
God allegedly created the universe and everything in it, to include the punishment and reward systems. According to christianity this Jordanian pilot has been cast into a lake of fire and will burn in hell for all of eternity. According to you he did it to himself by rejecting christ. How could a man born to a muslim family in Jordan possibly turn out christian? There is absolutely no evidence of any kind to prove one religion right over the other, so it comes down to a guessing game. Which of the thousands of religions out there are right, and if we choose wrong, we get tortured by god forever. Don't for one second act like it's our choice. That is absolutely ****ing absurd.

Your statement is like saying "It's not the guy's fault who built the dungeon in his basement and locked you in it for the rest of your life to torture you, it's your fault for not doing exactly what he wanted you to. That was your choice."



That's one of the things that bothers me the most about christianity. Christians pretend like they are compassionate and care about people but all they actually care about is that they won't burn because they're on the 'winning side'. They condemn such behavior from men, but when their god does something a million times more sadistic, he's a loving merciful god.
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No sense debating me - I don't believe in god or afterlife, etc. (Irreligious, here). I just know that Christians believe it's all a matter of choice - etc. To claim they're 'oblivious' is silly. They're not oblivious, that's why it's their mission to 'save' people from ignorance, etc.

Whether you agree with their beliefs or not (as clearly I don't) is another topic all together- but they're not oblivious.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
That's one of the things that bothers me the most about christianity. Christians pretend like they are compassionate and care about people but all they actually care about is that they won't burn because they're on the 'winning side'. They condemn such behavior from men, but when their god does something a million times more sadistic, he's a loving merciful god.
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There are lots of different ilks of Christians just as there are non-Christians, and some Christians are more judgmental than others just as some atheists are more judgmental than others. People bring their personalities to their religion. A hater is going to hate whether they believe in God or not.
 
Christians claim that going to hell or heaven is a personal choice. And the only way to get to heaven is to believe either that jesus died for mans sins or believe that jesus is go, or just believe in the god (there's some other ones but generally those are the main ways to get to heaven according to certain Christian churches). The main theme is that you must have faith that a specific god exists. In other words believe in god and you go to heaven, dont believe in god and you go to hell. Its a choice indeed, except for the nasty fact that you are judged on that choice. As the well known story goes when you die before you can go off to heaven or hell god decides if you believe he exists or not. Believe that he exists and you are heaven bound, the pearly gates of heaven will be thrown open for you. Dont believe and the gates are locked tight.
 
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