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Cephus said:
We're just waiting for the theists to do the same thing.
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Do you mean theists like Alister McGrath, molecular biophysicist and Anglican priest? No need to wait, you missed it already.
 
RAMOSS said:
That is because you believe in God. In my experience, people have what is known as 'confirmation bias', and they end of with the conclusion of what they already believe.
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Not so with atheist-scientists who ended up finding God in science.

What's this "experience" you speak about?
 
humbolt said:
I don't think you understand how the religion forum works. First, the non-believers demand empirical proof that God exists, knowing full well there isn't any. Then the believers take offense and offer an apologetic which is mocked. Then the believers mock the non-believers for not believing. Then the non-believers ask for empirical proof....and so it goes. I am a believer, BTW. I don't think, however, that we will ever know enough to "know". That does not mean that I don't endorse the pursuit of knowledge. I do endorse it. At the bottom of all of this I feel a deep and profound sympathy for those who attempt to justify their sincere beliefs here. As nearly as I can tell, the mocking will continue. Don't hold it against them. People tend to get defensive pretty quickly here in this forum. I generally avoid it because I'm not about to tell anybody anonymus my personal experiences in this regard. They are profound, and I will not have them mocked.
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Some of us believers demand empirical evidence from non-believers who assert that God doesn't exist. After all, they sit on the opposite end.
 
RAMOSS said:
Your lack of examining the veracity of your beliefs has nothing to do with the fact that your argument is a logical fallacy. It is one thing to proclaim you have faith, it is another thing to present an argument that is both valid and sound in support of a conclusion.
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You don't have any valid argument at all! :lol:

You're giving your "experience" for this so-called "confirmation bias" by believers....and you're showing your experience is sadly limited that you don't even know the numbers of atheists who found God through science!

Experience about your immediate surroundings does not count. Funny how you end up proving to suffer from this "confirmation bias." :mrgreen:
 
RAMOSS said:
to which the following question can be asked 'Why must there be an answer to why?
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Without the quest to find the answer to "why"....where does that leaves science?

Without the curiousity to find the answer to "why".....a child is an idiot!
 
zyzygy said:
And if that god is Krishna?
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That's irrelevant.

A person who seeks for the truth (God) does not necessarily believe particular doctrines.
For some, that comes later.....

There is such a thing called Deism, too.

Deism is a natural religion. Deists believe in the existence of God, on purely rational grounds, without any reliance on revealed religion or religious authority or holy text.
 
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RAMOSS said:
I do not know if God, if he exists, has my viewpoint. Personally, I just like to debate.. and I like to find someone that actually make me think about what I believe.
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You have to read - you have to know something about what you're trying to criticize before you can even begin to debate.
 
zyzygy said:
I would have to know if he ever existed before I answer that. Otherwise it would be like taking Gandalf's words seriously.
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Rational thinking will help you.
 
zyzygy said:
Proof please. I have read the fairy stories in the bible. I mean real proof.
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:roll: Here we go again.

A lot of proofs based on evidence and reason had been provided already in several threads. You were there! Repeating the same demand, over and over again.

You won't find what you're asking for if you keep closing your eyes. That's a fact! :lol:
 
tosca1 said:
Not so with atheist-scientists who ended up finding God in science.

What's this "experience" you speak about?
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He experiences confirmation bias regularly.
 
tosca1 said:
Some of us believers demand empirical evidence from non-believers who assert that God doesn't exist. After all, they sit on the opposite end.
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No empirical evidence exists for that which is spiritual which would satisfy any who chose to deny a spiritual existence.
 
tosca1 said:
Without the quest to find the answer to "why"....where does that leaves science?

Without the curiousity to find the answer to "why".....a child is an idiot!
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Answering the question HOW, and WHAT. As for 'a child is an idiot, that seems like projection on your part.
 
RAMOSS said:
Answering the question HOW, and WHAT. As for 'a child is an idiot, that seems like projection on your part.
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You were talking about "WHY." If a child does not display any curiousity at all....something's wrong with him!
Asking "why" is normal part of development.


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What do you think hypotheses are?
They are mostly proposed explanations or suppositions for what is being asked, "why."

That's why asked, where does it leaves science if no one wonders why!

I wonder....why do you ask questions or make statements like these? :lol:
 
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RAMOSS said:
Answering the question HOW, and WHAT.
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They're due to curiousity, too! The need or wanting an answer, or explanation!


WHAT IS THAT?

HOW DOES IT DO THAT?

WHY DOES IT DO THAT!


They're all the same! :mrgreen:
 
tosca1 said:
That's irrelevant.

A person who seeks for the truth (God) does not necessarily believe particular doctrines.
For some, that comes later.....

There is such a thing called Deism, too.

Deism is a natural religion. Deists believe in the existence of God, on purely rational grounds, without any reliance on revealed religion or religious authority or holy text.
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That's not irrelevant. According to your bible we'll all burn in hell if we pick the wrong god, so it does have to be the right one. Believing in god is not enough. Where's the evidence that christianity is the one we're supposed to choose? It seems to just be your opinion that it's the best one.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
That's not irrelevant. According to your bible we'll all burn in hell if we pick the wrong god, so it does have to be the right one. Believing in god is not enough. Where's the evidence that christianity is the one we're supposed to choose? It seems to just be your opinion that it's the best one.
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That's according to the Bible! The author isn't talking about the Bible, is she?

Based on her OP, she's talking about God (general sense), at least that's how I interpret it.

A lot of philosophical discussions about God is usually in the theological sense, unless it's specified.
There's no mention of Christianity.
 
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