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We Don't Know

Faydra said:
Nowhere in my post did I say any such thing. You just automatically assume because I'm an athiest that I'm out to prove God doesn't exist, when I said EXACTLY the opposite.

I'm out of religious discussions here, I think... There's no discussion, people see something against their own belief and shut down, and the insults fly. Life's too short for that.

Have fun.
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Consider the quote I gave you. Incidentally, that chemist James Tour had spilled the beans on evolution.
Check out his website, and please....read everything.


An Insider’s View of the Academy

James M Tour Group » Evolution/Creation

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"If you really study science, it will bring you closer to God."


Need we wonder why some atheist scientists ended up finding God through their works?
 
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tosca1 said:
Consider the quote I gave you. Incidentally, that chemist James Tour had spilled the beans on evolution.
Check out his website, and please....read everything.


An Insider’s View of the Academy

James M Tour Group » Evolution/Creation

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"If you really study science, it will bring you closer to God."


Need we wonder why some atheist scientists ended up finding God through their works?
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Most don't find theism. Most retain their lack of belief in the supernatural.

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Unrepresented said:
Most don't find theism. Most retain their lack of belief in the supernatural.

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BUT there are those who do.

It's not a popularity contest. It's not about numbers.

When someone had found life's meaning - who cares what the polls and surveys say.
 
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tosca1 said:
BUT there are those who do.

It's not a popularity contest. It's not about numbers.

When someone had found life's meaning - who cares what the polls and surveys say.
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Based on the general population statistics and those who are in science, it seems quite reasonable to believe that there're more that have lost belief in theism after studying science.
 
Faydra said:
We don't know' is a wonderful, fulfilling, inquisitive, and terrifying answer!
A lot of ...
Humanity likes to live in a cave. It's dark, and comforting. It's home, and filled with what we know. The world outside is bright, and frightening. It's dangerous and uncertain.
Outside the cave,there's thunder and lightning. At the back of the cave is the shaman screaming and yelling that the thunder and lightning means that the gods are angry. At the front of the cave, someone is looking up at the sky, wondering 'Why does it do that'? The answer is, 'I don't know. But I want to find out!'.

To many, 'god' is not an answer.
What is over the next hill? God. How do birds fly? God. Where did we come from? God. What are the pinpricks of light in the night sky? God.

Change the answer to 'I don't know', and we can learn more. .... We have a good grasp on where humanity came from, even if the answer on how life began is still a little uncertain. As for the stars? We know what they are, how they form, and how they die.

'I don't know' has given us many of the technologies ....
Of course, big questions may never find a suitable answer. How did the universe start? Well, we have a lot of ideas, but nothing concrete. It was a mind-boggingly long time ago, after all.

Evolution is also not a 'failed theory'. It is, in fact, .....

It should also be noted that no answer we changed from 'We don't know' to 'now we know' has ever included the phrase 'and therefore there is no god'. The existence or non-existence of a god is irrelevant. Since we cannot prove that one exists, we just ignore it since we find answers anyways.
Trying to place an answer of 'We don't know, therefore god' is limiting. Very limiting to ourselves, the universe around us, and to our own curiosity and intellect.

Are you going to stay at the back of the cave, screaming that the thunder and lighting are proof that the gods are angry? Or are you going to join us in the frightening, terrifying light in order to find a new answer rather than 'We don't know'?
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Your premise is flawed. How do birds fly? Ok, we can figure that out. Science is very useful for that kind of thing.
Where do we come from and why are we here? We can't figure this out scientifically. Maybe we can for our physical body to some degree, but we can't figure out where our spirit comes from scientifically. Science can answer how, but man will always wonder why.

This passage in revelation is helpful: "11And I saw a great white throne, and Him who is sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven did flee away, and place was not found for them;"

This is what happens to observable science in the presence of God. He isn't your science boogeyman. He created these things. They are subject to him. He could not possibly be more relevant to their existence or to ours.

It is our arrogance that says God is not necessary: "I have eyes and ears." God created them for you.
 
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Cable said:
Your premise is flawed. How do birds fly? Ok, we can figure that out. Science is very useful for that kind of thing.
Where do we come from and why are we here? We can't figure this out scientifically. Maybe we can for our physical body to some degree, but we can't figure out where our spirit comes from scientifically. Science can answer how, but man will always wonder why.

This passage in revelation is helpful: "11And I saw a great white throne, and Him who is sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven did flee away, and place was not found for them;"

This is what happens to observable science in the presence of God. He isn't your science boogeyman. He created these things. They are subject to him. He could not possibly be more relevant to their existence or to ours.

It is our arrogance that says God is not necessary: "I have eyes and ears." God created them for you.
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"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Hamlet
 
RAMOSS said:
That is because you believe in God. In my experience, people have what is known as 'confirmation bias', and they end of with the conclusion of what they already believe.
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thats what you atheists dont get.if you already believe in god by heart,you dont need the feel to question the existence of god.
 
Medusa said:
thats what you atheists dont get.if you already believe in god by heart,you dont need the feel to question the existence of god.
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Your lack of examining the veracity of your beliefs has nothing to do with the fact that your argument is a logical fallacy. It is one thing to proclaim you have faith, it is another thing to present an argument that is both valid and sound in support of a conclusion.
 
RAMOSS said:
Your lack of examining the veracity of your beliefs has nothing to do with the fact that your argument is a logical fallacy. It is one thing to proclaim you have faith, it is another thing to present an argument that is both valid and sound in support of a conclusion.
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person you have called can not be reached at the moment..more athosh Word salad :mrgreen:
 
Medusa said:
person you have called can not be reached at the moment..more athosh Word salad :mrgreen:
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Ah, I will use smaller words, so you can understand it. What you say believe does not matter, if what you say is crap.
 
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RAMOSS said:
Your lack of examining the veracity of your beliefs has nothing to do with the fact that your argument is a logical fallacy. It is one thing to proclaim you have faith, it is another thing to present an argument that is both valid and sound in support of a conclusion.
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I get what she is saying. To the point: If men rose up from a blob of goo in some wetland somewhere and started walking on their hind legs and thinking, they must have then invented God so they'd have a confirmation bias to fall back on?

No, the logical follow-on to "I think therefore I am" is "why am I?"
 
RAMOSS said:
Ah, I will use smaller words, so you can understand it. What you say believe does not matter, if what you say is crap.
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on the contrary I understand the intention in your words .:mrgreen:
 
Cable said:
I get what she is saying. To the point: If men rose up from a blob of goo in some wetland somewhere and started walking on their hind legs and thinking, they must have then invented God so they'd have a confirmation bias to fall back on?

No, the logical follow-on to "I think therefore I am" is "why am I?"
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to which the following question can be asked 'Why must there be an answer to why?
 
Medusa said:
on the contrary I understand the intention in your words .:mrgreen:
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That still doesn't stop your attempt at reasoning to be invalid.
 
Paxaeon said:
1. Quotes about Christianity from famous people who are dead are meaningless…
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Those “famous dead” people I quoted founded this country and know extensively about its rich, Christian heritage.

Paxaeon said:
unless it is spelled out specifically in the US Constitution, which does not state any such thing.
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1. The Constitution did not found this country. The Declaration of Independence did and it does mention both God and His law.

2. The Constitution itself has no less than eight references to the Bible! How do you not know this?

Paxaeon said:
If a Christian firmly believes that the US is a Christian nation, then to that person, it is. Faith is a very powerful tool as it requires no proof to sustain it. Despite the preponderance of facts and evidence to the contrary, those whom want to believe it as a matter of Christian faith, will always believe it.
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While I would not bother to argue that America is a Christian nation today, the evidence of the Christian heritage of this nation is overwhelming.

Paxaeon said:
2. My bad, poor choice of words. I should have said "right wing christian science."…This contrasts with today's Christian science deniers who depend solely on their strict interpretation of the bible, which is hardly academic and is myth, at best.
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“Right-wing, Christian science”? What is that? And exactly who are the “science deniers who depend solely on their strict interpretation of the bible” and exactly how is the Bible a “myth”?

I can’t wait to hear this?
 
Paxaeon said:
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I have no problem with people of faith, be they Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, Rastafarian, Sinto, Buddhist, Daoism, Satanism or pagan. What I do object to is any religion or faith attempting to fuse itself into our secular government, education and laws. For example, the myth that the US is a Christian nation is an anathema to me or the teaching of "fundamentalist science" (which is an oxymoron) which I strenuously object to in public schools.
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I second that!
 
Medusa said:
thats what you atheists dont get.if you already believe in god by heart,you dont need the feel to question the existence of god.
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And if that god is Krishna?
 
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