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Science Advances to Improve Life - Religion Remains Frozen For Thousans of Years

Luftwaffe said:
Is anything there false? How about you refute with something of substance, childish attacks like this mean nothing if you're simply going to provide one liners as support.
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Provide real references before for me to evaluate. Weak-o-pedia never counts.

Luftwaffe said:
Such data is hardly available due to the loose definition of what a "scientist" really is.
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Then it is just a mere opinion. No one needs to take your word for it and believe that religious people are anywhere near contributing to science compared to non-religious ones. That is just an opinion while religion is not required.

Luftwaffe said:
The above statement is surely just an opinion, in fact, every single thing ever claimed by science is just that, an opinion based on observation. Science creates theories, not facts. (and I don't mean this in a demeaning way towards science, if you actually understood a shred of what science is, you would then also understand why everything is in reality a theory as compared to a fact, it's more a semantics kind of thing)
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There are sciences that create facts such as chemistry for instance. Joint chemical substances will create another one, and the new substance then is fact. It is not a suggestion in such a case, it is a fact.

Luftwaffe said:
Well, first off, the Holy Spirit IS god. It's the triune god. The son of God is also God, they are all one God. Also, that's not what I necessarily meant when I said they preach other things.

Your ignorance is noted though.
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There is no actual empirical evidence regarding all of those, yet ignorance is assumed on my posts.

Luftwaffe said:
Not vague, it is simply a level up above you in terms of conceptual/critical thinking and reading comprehension. I did that on purpose, if you can figure what that statement means then you may be able to get somewhere. As it stands, you are incapable of understanding the words of a 16 year old.
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Or the statement is vague and makes no sense.
 
HonestJoe said:
What makes you imagine it's an either/or question? Why couldn't they follow both courses if they wanted to?
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It's not an either/or, but one is good for us and one is bad for us. Even without science, religion is still a terrible thing. Science is simply one of the greatest tools we have to dispel religious nonsense.

longview said:
Pure Science does not have a moral stand, neither good or bad.
Some religions try to have people treat each other well.
I am not discounting the value of Science, just that the two are not an apt comparison.
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I disagree. Science certainly has morality within it. It champions knowledge, and making decisions based on more information, rather than less. It champions reason and thoughtfulness. It transcends race, language, or culture. I agree that it's incorrect to posit science and religion as polar opposites, but it is likewise incorrect to say that science is inherently without morality. Holding truth above ignorance and lies is a moral lesson that everyone should adhere to.

ocean515 said:
You know, it's possible religion was created just to screw with the minds of those who obsess over people who believe in it. I mean it could be a multi-thousand year mind screw by people in on the secret.
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No, it's pretty much entirely about cementing power in the hands of a few people and allowing them to control others. From the Aztecs to the Pharaohs to the churches and mosques to the Kim family in North Korea, religion is entirely about telling people that they are required to submit to the designated rulers by virtue of their claims of divine authority. Religion is about protecting the absolute power of tyrants and very little else.
 
Paschendale said:
It's not an either/or, but one is good for us and one is bad for us. Even without science, religion is still a terrible thing. Science is simply one of the greatest tools we have to dispel religious nonsense.



I disagree. Science certainly has morality within it. It champions knowledge, and making decisions based on more information, rather than less. It champions reason and thoughtfulness. It transcends race, language, or culture. I agree that it's incorrect to posit science and religion as polar opposites, but it is likewise incorrect to say that science is inherently without morality. Holding truth above ignorance and lies is a moral lesson that everyone should adhere to.



No, it's pretty much entirely about cementing power in the hands of a few people and allowing them to control others. From the Aztecs to the Pharaohs to the churches and mosques to the Kim family in North Korea, religion is entirely about telling people that they are required to submit to the designated rulers by virtue of their claims of divine authority. Religion is about protecting the absolute power of tyrants and very little else.
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So you're saying Religion is the same as the government. Ok. I think the difference may be that while religion certainly attempts to influence how people live and work, government has the absolute power to carry that type of objective out. Do you have the same feelings about government as you do about religion?
 
ocean515 said:
So you're saying Religion is the same as the government. Ok. I think the difference may be that while religion certainly attempts to influence how people live and work, government has the absolute power to carry that type of objective out. Do you have the same feelings about government as you do about religion?
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Certainly Christianity is not compulsory. In fact, the opposite is true, it is completely voluntary, by doctrine. The same cannot be said for government, and comparing the two is idiotic, at best.
 
countryboy said:
Certainly Christianity is not compulsory. In fact, the opposite is true, it is completely voluntary, by doctrine. The same cannot be said for government, and comparing the two is idiotic, at best.
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Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. (Philippians 2:10)

You must kill those who worship another god. (Exodus 22:20)

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. (Deuteronomy 13:12-16)
 
Buddhism and Science mix quite nicely, there is no dogmatism in Buddhism.
 
CMPancake said:
Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. (Philippians 2:10)

You must kill those who worship another god. (Exodus 22:20)

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. (Deuteronomy 13:12-16)
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Wow, and cherries aren't even in season.

Who is compelled to worship Christ? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Are you required by law to worship Christ? Do you worship Christ?
 
countryboy said:
Certainly Christianity is not compulsory. In fact, the opposite is true, it is completely voluntary, by doctrine. The same cannot be said for government, and comparing the two is idiotic, at best.
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Actually, I agree. If you consider the description the poster chose to use to denigrate religion, he actually described government. Why people get so twisted over what someone choses to believe in is beyond me. As you wrote, it's not compulsory, at least in the general sense. Certainly it is in some countries, but in the broad sense it's voluntary, where government is absolutely compulsory, and most certainly concentrates power in few people allowing them to control others. I don't see many of these posters staking a similar tone regarding government, especially when promoting the type of government they want to be ruled by.
 
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countryboy said:
Wow, and cherries aren't even in season.
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You're the one cherry picking the bible. If you don't follow these scriptures, that means you cherry pick. I reject the bible all together.

countryboy said:
Who is compelled to worship Christ? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Are you required by law to worship Christ? Do you worship Christ?
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That isn't what you said. You declared Christianity as a voluntary religion by doctrine. You have scripture in your holy texts that say otherwise. I'd advise you admit you didn't know those scriptures I quoted to you were in the bible, or concede that Christianity isn't as voluntary as you thought it was.

Or you know, you can continue trying to argue against your own bible. You'll use, but it is certainly a course of action you can take.
 
ocean515 said:
Actually, I agree. If you consider the description the poster chose to use to denigrate religion, he actually described government. Why people get so twisted over what someone choses to believe in is beyond me. As you wrote, it's not compulsory, at least in the general sense. Certainly it is in some countries, but in the broad sense it's voluntary, where government is absolutely compulsory, and most certainly concentrates power in few people allowing them to control others. I don't see many of these posters staking a similar tone regarding government, especially when promoting the type of government they want to see.
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Exactly. For some reason, many on the left choose to denigrate those who believe differently than they do, rather than choose liberty and tolerance. The fact is, science and religion are not incompatible. In fact, the early church promoted science, and still does to this day. Not sure why many on the left only suffer what they believe to be true, and all others be damned.

I am no longer Catholic, but this article does a good job of debunking the left's position that science and religion are incompatible. The Church Opposes Science: The Myth of Catholic Irrationality

If the Catholic Church were opposed to science, we would expect to find no or very few Catholic scientists, no sponsorship of scientific research by Catholic institutions, and an explicit distrust of reason in general and scientific reasoning in particular taught in official Catholic teaching. In fact, we find none of these things.
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Historically, Catholics are numbered among the most important scientists of all time, including Rene Descartes, who discovered analytic geometry and the laws of refraction; Blaise Pascal, inventor of the adding machine, hydraulic press, and the mathematical theory of probabilities; Augustinian priest Gregor Mendel, who founded modern genetics; Louis Pasteur, founder of microbiology and creator of the first vaccine for rabies and anthrax; and cleric Nicolaus Copernicus, who first developed scientifically the view that the earth rotated around the sun. Jesuit priests in particular have a long history of scientific achievement, they contributed to the development of pendulum clocks, pantographs, barometers, reflecting telescopes and microscopes, to scientific fields as various as magnetism, optics and electricity.
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rhinefire said:
Every day science advances to aid and benefit mankind in every facet of out lives from birth to death. Meanwhile, religions remain frozen in the afterbirth of ignorance recruiting non believers to become believers of nothing more than stories of what may have been thousands of years ago. Which of the two courses would you encourage your children to pursue in the name of benefitting mankind?
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Bolded is untrue, their adherents claim their religions dont change but they do, just slowly.
 
countryboy said:
Wow, and cherries aren't even in season.

Who is compelled to worship Christ? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Are you required by law to worship Christ? Do you worship Christ?
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Now, that depends on who you listen to. There are certain people who rant that 'unless you choose Jesus as your lord and savior you are going down into the pit'. Of course, no one takes that seriously. However, that kind of threat is extortion. Of course, without any teeth to back it up.
 
RAMOSS said:
Now, that depends on who you listen to. There are certain people who rant that 'unless you choose Jesus as your lord and savior you are going down into the pit'. Of course, no one takes that seriously. However, that kind of threat is extortion. Of course, without any teeth to back it up.
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Thank you for making my point, albeit in a typically rude and intolerant liberal fashion.
 
countryboy said:
Thank you for making my point, albeit in a typically rude and intolerant liberal fashion.
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Shall I point out the specific posts?? Or, are you being 'see no evil, speak no evil, say no evil' against fellow christians?
 
RAMOSS said:
Shall I point out the specific posts?? Or, are you being 'see no evil, speak no evil, say no evil' against fellow christians?
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Will it prove that Christianity is not compulsory? Will it show that people are forced against their will to worship Christ?
 
countryboy said:
Will it prove that Christianity is not compulsory? Will it show that people are forced against their will to worship Christ?
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Why are you so determined on pushing this lie that Christianity is not compulsory?

Any city that doesn't receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Mark 6:11)
 
RAMOSS said:
Shall I point out the specific posts?? Or, are you being 'see no evil, speak no evil, say no evil' against fellow christians?
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A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. (Romans 8:33)

Countryboy lives by this dogma, maybe.
 
CMPancake said:
Why are you so determined on pushing this lie that Christianity is not compulsory?

Any city that doesn't receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Mark 6:11)
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Are you forced to worship Christ? Yes or no.
 
countryboy said:
Will it prove that Christianity is not compulsory? Will it show that people are forced against their will to worship Christ?
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I have had ancestors that were murdered because they wouldn't convert to Christianity. So, like I said, it depends. You have modern ones in the U.S. threatening that people will go to hell if they don't believe. In other times, and other places, people died because they would not convert.
 
RAMOSS said:
I have had ancestors that were murdered because they wouldn't convert to Christianity. So, like I said, it depends. You have modern ones in the U.S. threatening that people will go to hell if they don't believe. In other times, and other places, people died because they would not convert.
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That doesn't change the fact that worshiping Christ is a choice.
 
countryboy said:
Are you forced to worship Christ? Yes or no.
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I was forced to worship Christ, yes. My parents didn't let me have any say in the matter of my Religious beliefs.

But hey, are you a Christian? Your bible clearly dictates you should murder me for being a non-believer. You should go about doing that before God sends you to hell with me.
 
CMPancake said:
I was forced to worship Christ, yes. My parents didn't let me have any say in the matter of my Religious beliefs.

But hey, are you a Christian? Your bible clearly dictates you should murder me for being a non-believer. You should go about doing that before God sends you to hell with me.
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Can't even answer a simple yes or no question? :roll:

As usual, you are wrong about everything you spout about Christianity. At least you're consistent. Please, no more cherry picking. Try context, for once in your short life, just once. Who knows, you might like it.
 
countryboy said:
Can't even answer a simple yes or no question? :roll:
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I gave you an answer. I'm sorry it wasn't an answer that proves you're a liar.

countryboy said:
As usual, you are wrong about everything you spout about Christianity.
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How am I wrong about Christianity. Are the verses I quote not from the Bible? Are you suggesting I am a fraud? Prove it.

countryboy said:
At least you're consistent.
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Yes I am consistent. I reject everything in the bible. You're the one who wants to pick out the parts that you like and the ones you do not.


countryboy said:
Please, no more cherry picking.
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Says the Christian who wants to reject parts of the bible that proves you wrong. HA.

countryboy said:
Try context, for once in your short life, just once. Who knows, you might like it.
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Is there context that makes Deuteronomy, Exodus, Mark, Romans, Jude, John, Hebrews, Colossians, Revelations and Philippians any less intolerant? Try being honest and admit you either did not know your bible contain scripture that dictates you should murder non-believers. Or admit you knew full well that these scriptures existed and yet continued to lie?
 
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