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If You Had The Decision To Make To Perpetuate Human Life Elsewhere Would You

chromium said:
To not wipe out other living things in the process, the planet would have to be a barren ****hole. It is not madness to not want to continue living in such conditions.
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I would never put any combination of animals and plants above my fellow man. That is most definitely madness.
 
I'm still loling at this thread.
 
Sherman123 said:
I would never put any combination of animals and plants above my fellow man. That is most definitely madness.
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Not madness. Just a different view of the world than you have.

While yes, in general, we are programmed to save our species first, there are many of us who don't want to do it at the expense of other species - thus, the environmentalist movement.
 
Goshin said:
You give humanity far too little credit.
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That is correct that I do give them very little credit.

Here in the USA we have far too many people including very powerful people who want to deny needed and basic health care from our citizens and it would be reprehensible to let that kind of mentality to spread out to another planet. Plus these same people want us the USA to increase our military spending and to increase our militarism when we are already the warmonger Country of the planet earth, so our society gets credit for what we really are and THAT must never spread to any other planet.

Just as any other disease or malevolent infection - it is better to kill it off rather then letting it infect the rest of the universe.

Of course if we can just take off decent people who reject our old ugly human mentality to another planet - then yes.

I hear that both China and India now have their own space programs and I would trust them far more to do it right than any white person or Country.


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brothern said:
I think humanity will be able to buy itself enough time before we trash the planet.
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There is no real basis or reason to expect that because we are trashing the earth as fast as we can.

If all you mean is that some how we will save our selves from our own self created ruin - then that is disgusting.

And then we will find another planet to trash - well no.


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Sherman123 said:
I would never put any combination of animals and plants above my fellow man. That is most definitely madness.
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It is because of the rank barbarism of our fellow man which puts their selves beneath the animals and plants.

And not just in their rightful graves.
 
zyzygy said:
I'm glad you agree that gods are imaginary beings.
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Hell as far as I know, you're an imaginary being. But I have faith that you are an actual being.

Both religion and philosophy wrestle with problems like: What is good? What does it mean to live a good life? What is the nature of reality? Why are we here and what should we be doing? How should we treat each other? What is really most important in life?

You can be an adherent of Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Lucifer or of Hegel, Kant or Russell but you can't really separate philosophy and religion.
 
JP Cusick said:
That is correct that I do give them very little credit.

Here in the USA we have far too many people including very powerful people who want to deny needed and basic health care from our citizens and it would be reprehensible to let that kind of mentality to spread out to another planet. Plus these same people want us the USA to increase our military spending and to increase our militarism when we are already the warmonger Country of the planet earth, so our society gets credit for what we really are and THAT must never spread to any other planet.

Just as any other disease or malevolent infection - it is better to kill it off rather then letting it infect the rest of the universe.

Of course if we can just take off decent people who reject our old ugly human mentality to another planet - then yes.

I hear that both China and India now have their own space programs and I would trust them far more to do it right than any white person or Country.
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One thing I was wondering about "Interstellar" - since it was a project that seemed to be driven by NASA, do we know if they only rescued people from the USA or if they did the whole world?

I don't trust anyone in power to "do it right", to be honest.... I have full faith that China and India can be just as militaristic, just as polluting, just as discriminatory as the USA can be.
 
paddymcdougall said:
Not madness. Just a different view of the world than you have.

While yes, in general, we are programmed to save our species first, there are many of us who don't want to do it at the expense of other species - thus, the environmentalist movement.
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Uhhh...That's not what the environmentalism movement is about. That's what the extreme, insane strain of the environmentalism movement is about.
 
JP Cusick said:
That is correct that I do give them very little credit.

Here in the USA we have far too many people including very powerful people who want to deny needed and basic health care from our citizens and it would be reprehensible to let that kind of mentality to spread out to another planet. Plus these same people want us the USA to increase our military spending and to increase our militarism when we are already the warmonger Country of the planet earth, so our society gets credit for what we really are and THAT must never spread to any other planet.

Just as any other disease or malevolent infection - it is better to kill it off rather then letting it infect the rest of the universe.

Of course if we can just take off decent people who reject our old ugly human mentality to another planet - then yes.

I hear that both China and India now have their own space programs and I would trust them far more to do it right than any white person or Country.


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There is no real basis or reason to expect that because we are trashing the earth as fast as we can.

If all you mean is that some how we will save our selves from our own self created ruin - then that is disgusting.

And then we will find another planet to trash - well no.


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It is because of the rank barbarism of our fellow man which puts their selves beneath the animals and plants.

And not just in their rightful graves.
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Barbarism as a concept only exists among humans and can only exist if we exist. You are being silly.
 
paddymcdougall said:
Not madness. Just a different view of the world than you have.

While yes, in general, we are programmed to save our species first, there are many of us who don't want to do it at the expense of other species - thus, the environmentalist movement.
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That is emphatically not the impetus behind the environmentalist movement. It does not stem from a desire to not 'save our species' at the expense of other animals.
 
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JP Cusick said:
That is correct that I do give them very little credit.

Here in the USA we have far too many people including very powerful people who want to deny needed and basic health care from our citizens and it would be reprehensible to let that kind of mentality to spread out to another planet. Plus these same people want us the USA to increase our military spending and to increase our militarism when we are already the warmonger Country of the planet earth, so our society gets credit for what we really are and THAT must never spread to any other planet.

Just as any other disease or malevolent infection - it is better to kill it off rather then letting it infect the rest of the universe.

Of course if we can just take off decent people who reject our old ugly human mentality to another planet - then yes.

I hear that both China and India now have their own space programs and I would trust them far more to do it right than any white person or Country.
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Seriously?

You view humanity as a malevolent infection threatening the universe... even though we do not yet know for sure if there is advanced life (let alone sapient life) elsewhere in our galaxy?

Wow.

Oh, EXCEPT for "decent people" which I assume means you and those who think in lockstep with you.


You think CHINA, Communist China, hierarchial top-down no-liberty Red CHINA, is morally superior to continue the human race than "any white nation"?? Not only does such an assertion demonstrate incredibly poor judgment, it is also remarkably racist.


Thanks for filling me in on what kind of person you are and how you think, though... I now understand how to deal with you. :inandout::coffeepap
 
He's probably never heard of the execution vans that China has. Bringing the death penalty for political reasons right to you, harvesting your organs!
 
brothern said:
I think humanity will be able to buy itself enough time before we trash the planet.
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I actually was off, it's 20 light years. That's a 40 year journey at half the speed light, which is far beyond our capabilities. Let's revisit this subject once we've sent humans to at least 1 other planet.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Uhhh...That's not what the environmentalism movement is about. That's what the extreme, insane strain of the environmentalism movement is about.
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So anyone who disagrees with your perspective is extreme and insane? wish there was a way to make private notes about posters on this site...
 
Sherman123 said:
I would never put any combination of animals and plants above my fellow man. That is most definitely madness.
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Even if you were one of the select few picked for this mission, your fellow man won't be there. It'd just be a handful of humans and some sperm and eggs.
 
chromium said:
I actually was off, it's 20 light years. That's a 40 year journey at half the speed light, which is far beyond our capabilities. Let's revisit this subject once we've sent humans to at least 1 other planet.
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Sending humans to another planet is "imminent" compared to what I'm thinking about. I'm was considering 1,000 years down the road.
 
paddymcdougall said:
So anyone who disagrees with your perspective is extreme and insane? wish there was a way to make private notes about posters on this site...
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You can use a piece of paper, maybe keep it on your desk. Sorry, but the environmentalism movement isn't about sacrificing ourselves for the sake of other species, it's about protecting the environment so that it can continue to support human life. Why someone would care more about an environment that really couldn't give a **** about them than they do themselves is...well, it's insane.
 
chromium said:
Even if you were one of the select few picked for this mission, your fellow man won't be there. It'd just be a handful of humans and some sperm and eggs.
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My 'fellow man' is a metaphor for the human species not my next door neighbor. Humanity is more important than any one habitat. I treasure the environment because it is our home, it's beautiful, and I believe it worthy of protection; but I'd sacrifice every tree if its what we had to do to keep the species alive.
 
paddymcdougall said:
So anyone who disagrees with your perspective is extreme and insane? wish there was a way to make private notes about posters on this site...
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Anyone who thinks that is the point of environmentalism is extreme and dangerous.
 
As we plan to someday start the missions to Mars for the purpose of colonizing it in the far off future is it not reasonable to believe there will be conflicting ideas among countries as to who gets what, where on the planet Mars? What documents will be used to decide who gets what real estate?
 
Absolutely, and damn the consequences. My family comes first, my community comes second, and my species comes third. Everything else is either food or a threat.
 
Goshin said:
Seriously?

You view humanity as a malevolent infection threatening the universe... even though we do not yet know for sure if there is advanced life (let alone sapient life) elsewhere in our galaxy?

Wow.
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I see that I do need to qualify that in that I do happen to know that there is a real God (not belief but know) and so my disdain for humanity is tempered by that part that we have a powerful overseer of a Father God.

Perhaps that is not meant to be a part of this discussion, and I am only bringing it up now as an explanation.

If there is no God or Higher Power (by whatever name or type) then yes humanity is nothing more than an infectious disease - IMO.

Goshin said:
You think CHINA, Communist China, hierarchial top-down no-liberty Red CHINA, is morally superior to continue the human race than "any white nation"?? Not only does such an assertion demonstrate incredibly poor judgment, it is also remarkably racist.
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You are making that into a political argument and I was really just viewing the character of the Chinese people whom I respect.

Politically the ideal of Communism means serving the community, as like community-ism, and the China version of Communism seems to be blossoming and booming so it is impressive.

And honestly democracy means the majority rule over the minority and that is dangerous and untrustworthy and really foolish.


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OldWorldOrder said:
He's probably never heard of the execution vans that China has. Bringing the death penalty for political reasons right to you, harvesting your organs!
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I have heard of Western propaganda, and of American lies against every other people on the planet earth.

It is far more likely that we the USA have execution vans just as we murder people with surprise bombs from Drones, but China has no such thing.

Why must we try to demonize everyone and the Chinese are not demons, and how can you believe garbage like that?


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chromium said:
I actually was off, it's 20 light years. That's a 40 year journey at half the speed light, which is far beyond our capabilities. Let's revisit this subject once we've sent humans to at least 1 other planet.
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China is right now in the works of putting a colony on the Moon.

Link - Chinese Lunar Landing Prompts Debate About Moon Exploitation
 
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