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My Bias, My Burden

All of this has floated to the surface today (as if it's ever far from there) because today, I was able to do for a young girl what I didn't do for my friend 15 years ago.

I set up a photography program at the local boys and girls club in a town over from me, and a "student", a friend of mine, a young girl, has frequented some classes, and we've been talking about the subject after work. Well, she brought in some shots, of another friend of hers, and I don't know...somehow...I just get a vibe. So I asked her.

This morning, she told me her story. I don't know if I'm going to get in trouble for what I told her...it was after class, but still inside the building. But I couldn't make the same mistake. Her family is catholic, (they're from Puerto Rico), so she was very unsure, very...similar in the way she asked her questions as Kevin was.



I've been drinking ever since.
 
It allows me an opportunity to vent myself upon that which I hold in low regard.

If you are not a conservative, it begs the question, what do you gain from antagonizing people that are?


Honestly, though, a lack of true gain is why I do my best to completely avoid religious forums and threads.

I state my opinion on political matters. A person's religious beliefs are not a political matter.
 
I grew up in South Carolina, a misplaced child of the 80s. I was raised in a fairly religious family, though I think my dad was never into it. He never went to church. In his defense, he worked 6 days a week, and he took his rightful day of rest. We started Baptist, but eventually went to Presbyterian. For those of you less versed in the many denominations, Presbyterianism is like Christianity 2.0 Light. Less literal, some would say more evolved...others, hell bound. But I believed. I have read the Bible cover to cover twice, though that was years ago. Around the same time I tackled the Lord of the Rings trilogy. First time I finished it, I was about...13, I think? I have gone to church retreats in which the pastors informed me I had a calling, due to my ability to help older kids through their questions and calamities of faith. They all believed in me. I believed, and I was happy, because I was able to do the lord's work, I was able to help people.

Also around that time I met my best friend, who shared my name, Kevin. He and his family had started going to the same church. It took us all of about....15 seconds, to realize we would be friends, and not long after to realize, best friends. We did everything together. Explored the woods, of which there was plenty, read comic books, played video games, etc. I used to stay out past my curfew just to hang out with him. He lived a short bike ride from me. Things remained pretty much the same, all through middle school, but around 10th grade, in Highschool, things seemed to change...I know not how, but I believe that, somehow, I suspected that my friend, the closest and most intimate person in my life, was gay. I never really came to it fully, but thinking back on it, I can't help but think that I at least suspected it. He never said, and I never asked. Don't ask, don't tell, lol. I think it was because of the number of times we had gone over the subject of Christianity and homosexuality. A subject that was quite clear, both to everyone in the community, and in the Bible itself. I answered many of his questions with scripture. I never judged him, but the thing that was most important to me at the time certainly did. He became more reclusive, quit the marching band, quit everything in school, and stayed home, wouldn't go outside much, though at the time, I thought it was because of the greatest video game system ever unleashed, the Playstation.

On March 20, 1999, I went to his house to find that his parents weren't home, which was unexpected, as they were always home on the weekend. I went home. I got the phone call several hours later. Kevin, my best friend, had drank antifreeze, and killed himself. He left a note. An apology to the world for what he was, for his inability to be what God commanded of him. He was gay, and had tired of trying to not be. I have the words reading out in my mind even now, as I type this, but I'll never repeat them. No one but those who knew him deserve to know his final thoughts.

He was so pale. He didn't look like himself. His was the first dead body I had ever seen. During the service ( a religious one), his parents, nor anyone else, (especially not the pastor) made any mention of his being gay, which he outed himself in his suicide note. I alone spoke the truth that day, the reason why he was dead, why my best friend would never go hiking with me again. His parents were OUTRAGED, and mine as well, and the pastor, to his credit, calmly, but FIRMLY, ushered me out of a side door, to the quoir room, where I stayed for a long time.

I have never spoken to his parents again. I have never seen them again. They can't die soon enough, as far as I'm concerned. Gallons of alcohol, 4 years of college with an entire new set of great friends, drugs, nothing, well ever erase my crime. It won't wash the blood from my hands, and it won't blur the memory of it's feel, it's vivid color. It won't remove his name nor his face from my mind, and it won't make my actions justified. I will never be free of it. My faults during that time of my life will dog me till the day I die. I used to think, things will change over time. But I'm 33, and I'm typing this for all the world to see. Clearly, the years have not chipped away at this as I thought.

And now, what to do with it? This bottled up guilt and rage? An anger such that, truly, my hands shake as I type this, my body shivers. All I can say is, for those of you who adhere to these beliefs, and who are, genuinely, good people, I'm sorry, I really am. But how good can you be, when you adhere to something so obaminable, so awful, so segregating and divisive? How good can you be, when you adhere to something that kills in so heinous a way?
I'm really sorry about this, Kevin. I hope you'll be able to forgive yourself one day, truly.
 
So, you weak minded friend killed himself with antifreeze. Because he was scared to "come out"? Sorry. But that is not a reason for suicide.
And no religion, of any stripe killed him in a "heinous way". He killed himself.
I don't think your "Sorry" is appropriate. Whatever negative mindset lies behind the cruelty of your post hurts you more than it hurts anyone else.
 
Anyway, I'm not really sure why I'm typing this, other than that I have perhaps had a bit too much to drink, and am simply wishing to elaborate on my bias, on the WHY of my antagonism towards Christianity in particular, and the others by association and deed.

You refuse to accept that metaphysical expression is part of human nature. We will always ponder the unknowable and look for connections in the mist that surrounds our lives. Just because some people use this to manipulate others and excuse evil is no reason to label all Christians as evil or stupid. The vast majority of Christians, like any other religion, are merely engaging in a natural activity.

The important thing is not what one thinks a religion says, the important thing is what an individual says. In this we share values and speculation, thus engaging in something entirely human.

I was a 'militant atheist'. I decided metaphysics is just another tool in the toolbox of communication. Since engaging in honest metaphysical discussions, I've found many connections with others that I would have otherwise missed out on.
 
I am not you.

Which was why I asked you the first question--what do you get out of antagonizing people? You apparently post there just for that purpose.
 
Reding back, this is really dour. Honeslty, I didn't meen for this to be such a depressing thred. I used to never think so, but I blelieve doctors are right...alcohol is a depresent. I felt GREAT when I got home today. Worried, a lottle. Confused. But overlaal., pretty great.


I wasn't even going to talk about it here, but then i got a bit tipsy. And somehow, I feel like, this has brought out a bit of a depressing slant to my typing.

I gotta think about this for abit.
 
Reding back, this is really dour. Honeslty, I didn't meen for this to be such a depressing thred. I used to never think so, but I blelieve doctors are right...alcohol is a depresent. I felt GREAT when I got home today. Worried, a lottle. Confused. But overlaal., pretty great.


I wasn't even going to talk about it here, but then i got a bit tipsy. And somehow, I feel like, this has brought out a bit of a depressing slant to my typing.

I gotta think about this for abit.

Imo, it's a good thing for you to talk. Keeping all that **** bottled up is bad for your head. Been there.
 
Which was why I asked you the first question--what do you get out of antagonizing people? You apparently post there just for that purpose.

It's a good and valid question. Honeslt, I don't think every SET OUT to post there to antagonize anyone, only to point out the reality, the cause and effect. But then in the process of reading the posts, I don't know...I just lose my cool, and post stuff progressively angrier. Which is why I don't post there anymore. I can't be respectful.
 
I hope you never find yourself in a situation where decorum becomes the pettiest of concerns.

Decorum is a bunch of fancy people telling you how to act amd what to look like in a particualr situatyion in order to fit in.
 
Imo, it's a good thing for you to talk. Keeping all that **** bottled up is bad for your head. Been there.

Yeah, this place, you guys, shoulod charge by the hour, like I said in another personal post I made several months ago.
 
I have often tried to keep myself out of religious threads, due to my propensity to vilify both the beliefs and the believers of the judeo based religions. I simply can't debate them with a clear head, with an open mind, or with my usual (I hope!) detachment from the subject. I am like a lawyer trying to defend myself, or my child. I have received numerous infractions for some of the things I have said in the religious forum, which is why this post is not happening there. I don't disagree with my infractions...I broke the rules. I DO, however, disagree with the rules, but if it keeps order, so be it. A job well done on such subject matter, in my book. Anyway, I'm not really sure why I'm typing this, other than that I have perhaps had a bit too much to drink, and am simply wishing to elaborate on my bias, on the WHY of my antagonism towards Christianity in particular, and the others by association and deed.

I don't know why you posted this either but I can relate to having a couple drinks and rambling on a message board. When I do it however my spelling and sentence structure suffer. Kudos.
 
Yeah, this place, you guys, shoulod charge by the hour, like I said in another personal post I made several months ago.

Not at all. It's a good thing to have people who don't know you, that you can bounce ideas off of. We aren't here to judge you, just offer our own insights. The hard part, though, is that once you decide to make a change, that change in painful, even if it's in a positive direction. Giving up old ways of thinking is like giving up a part of yourself. (Not saying that you want to- just an observation based on my own experience)
 
I don't know why you posted this either but I can relate to having a couple drinks and rambling on a message board. When I do it however my spelling and sentence structure suffer. Kudos.

LOL. Yeah, I'm very anal about that. My first post, I had to break up into two posts, and I typed it in another program, then copied and paisted it here, which I then had to break up into to posts becauwse it was too long.
 
It's a good and valid question. Honeslt, I don't think every SET OUT to post there to antagonize anyone, only to point out the reality, the cause and effect. But then in the process of reading the posts, I don't know...I just lose my cool, and post stuff progressively angrier. Which is why I don't post there anymore. I can't be respectful.

I am like that with abortion which is why I tread carefully. I take fire simultaneously from all directions on that issue because I think it should be legal and available but shouldn't be used as capriciously as it is and think that women who use it as a back up to irresponsible decision making or as a matter of career convenience should have their baby extracted through their ears.
 
I am like that with abortion which is why I tread carefully. I take fire simultaneously from all directions on that issue because I think it should be legal and available but shouldn't be used as capriciously as it is and think that women who use it as a back up to irresponsible decision making or as a matter of career convenience should have their baby extracted through their ears.

My stance on it is even worse than yours, but believe it or not, I voice that openly a lot on abortion threads, and take much less heet than when posting in religoun threads.


Seems, religion is a hotterm and more divisive topic than abortion.
 
Anyway, it'd probably be for the best if I ate something, watched some tv for a bit abnd tried to maybe sleep this off before tomorow. I meant for this to be a possitive thread, as I helped someont today as I didn't before in my life, aND i THINK I made a possitive impact on someone who appear to me to be troubled. Time will tell.


Thanls to all who read, and all who responded.

And on that note, Hpappy Thanksgiving everyone!
 
I don't feel guilty about speaking the truth, I feel guilty about my failure to see his many questions on the same subject for what it was, a cry for acceptance, acceptance I did not grant.

You were a kid.

Looking back, I can think of several boys I knew in high school who were likely gay. I had no idea at the time, of course. That was the '50s, after all, when no one was gay, and only nouns had gender.
 
You were a kid.

Looking back, I can think of several boys I knew in high school who were likely gay. I had no idea at the time, of course. That was the '50s, after all, when no one was gay, and only nouns had gender.

I know that I was yong, but I knew. God, I swear...I knew. I mean. I didn't NOW, not like ....you know, NO one KNOWs, for cewrtain, ANYTHING. But...I knew. That's my crime. I knew what he needed, and I offered only scripture and dogma. I offered him onmly what he got plenty of at chruch.


People....tyhey don'ty need to come right out and tell you, balls out, what's what. But you still know what's what. And then tyou make a move, you act, or don't act. I made my move, my act. And it was wrong. A different move, a different act, and he'd still be here, maybe.


That's not fair to me. It wasn't a game of chess. But none the less. No christianity, no religion, no judgment, no division between he and I. No reason to self hate. No reason to kill. Far as I'm concerned, end thread, right there.
 
I have often tried to keep myself out of religious threads, due to my propensity to vilify both the beliefs and the believers of the judeo based religions. I simply can't debate them with a clear head, with an open mind, or with my usual (I hope!) detachment from the subject. I am like a lawyer trying to defend myself, or my child. I have received numerous infractions for some of the things I have said in the religious forum, which is why this post is not happening there. I don't disagree with my infractions...I broke the rules. I DO, however, disagree with the rules, but if it keeps order, so be it. A job well done on such subject matter, in my book. Anyway, I'm not really sure why I'm typing this, other than that I have perhaps had a bit too much to drink, and am simply wishing to elaborate on my bias, on the WHY of my antagonism towards Christianity in particular, and the others by association and deed.

biases are basically one likes and dislikes. How one goes about expressing those biases, likes and dislikes is what is important. Civil discussion where one can put forth his feelings and listen to others, their feelings and I mean listen, not just have the words fly over one's head. That is important to understanding and confronting biases that perhaps we should not have or do.

Name calling and action that lead to violence just enforces the biases of those involved. It hardens them and any chance of understanding each other is long gone. Religion, politics are always hot items to discussed rationally. But it can be done.
 
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