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Summarily Jesus?

JP Cusick said:
You could be worthy if you could get off of your self-righteous platform, but I do know that is hard for every person to do.

I do not like the word "superior" but I guess it can still apply, that when I have better info then that does give me a superior position then those who have defective info or inferior knowledge.

It is forever offered to you and to everyone and yet only a few will even try.
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Please demonstrate that you actually have this 'superior knowledge', rather than delusion, fantasy and wishful thinking.
 
RAMOSS said:
Please demonstrate that you actually have this 'superior knowledge', rather than delusion, fantasy and wishful thinking.
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The subject of the OP is about that being untold and hidden, and I say I gave a rather thorough acknowledgement of that same thing in my reply #11 linked here =

You ask for a demonstration while doing NOTHING of your self or for your self, and that is a divide which you your self has created and so no one can get through the walls you have constructed around your self, and I really am not tying to pick on you personally as most people shield their self or hide away from the truths and from God, as my own brother will do that too, and people have to come out of their own shell and I can not pull or push you out while you are holding your self inside of your own walls of denials.

My own finding is that every person in the entire world has experiences with some form of Ghost by any name of spirits or Demons or whatever kind of spook, and the only reason those experiences are not acknowledged is because of the DENIALs, as in denying your own eyes and ears.

There are examples like Abe Lincoln who saw the work of God going on in the Civil War and Lincoln capitalized onto that superior knowledge and created a better world for us all.

The Mahatma Gandhi did similar in India, and Martin Luther King did too, and there are lots of example where the superior knowledge was based on faith.

One BIG thing that I myself have learned is that it must NOT be viewed as like a competition, in that superior knowledge does not make for any superior person or any inferior person as it is NOT a competition.

The person having superior knowledge means that they must accept superior responsibility.
 
JP Cusick said:
The subject of the OP is about that being untold and hidden, and I say I gave a rather thorough acknowledgement of that same thing in my reply #11 linked here =

You ask for a demonstration while doing NOTHING of your self or for your self, and that is a divide which you your self has created and so no one can get through the walls you have constructed around your self, and I really am not tying to pick on you personally as most people shield their self or hide away from the truths and from God, as my own brother will do that too, and people have to come out of their own shell and I can not pull or push you out while you are holding your self inside of your own walls of denials.

My own finding is that every person in the entire world has experiences with some form of Ghost by any name of spirits or Demons or whatever kind of spook, and the only reason those experiences are not acknowledged is because of the DENIALs, as in denying your own eyes and ears.

There are examples like Abe Lincoln who saw the work of God going on in the Civil War and Lincoln capitalized onto that superior knowledge and created a better world for us all.

The Mahatma Gandhi did similar in India, and Martin Luther King did too, and there are lots of example where the superior knowledge was based on faith.

One BIG thing that I myself have learned is that it must NOT be viewed as like a competition, in that superior knowledge does not make for any superior person or any inferior person as it is NOT a competition.

The person having superior knowledge means that they must accept superior responsibility.
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Translation. You have no way to show you either have superior knowledge or superior responsibilty. You shift the burden of proof.

This is evidence that you are incorrect or blustering.
 
JP Cusick said:
There are examples like Abe Lincoln who saw the work of God going on in the Civil War and Lincoln capitalized onto that superior knowledge and created a better world for us all.
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"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."-Joseph Lewis quoting Lincoln
 
RAMOSS said:
Translation. You have no way to show you either have superior knowledge or superior responsibilty. You shift the burden of proof.

This is evidence that you are incorrect or blustering.
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It just means that you are blind to it, but in my opinion then I doubt that you are that blind, and you are just being obstinate like a rebellious child.

There is nothing for me to prove, and yet I did give you real examples.

As I said it is not a competition, as like superior knowledge is not a thing for getting rich, or to pick the Super Bowl winner, to win the Lottery, as it is not meant to be superior in vanity or in egotism or in worldly status.

Jesus said it like this = "And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:" and said more too, see here = Matthew 20:25-28


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zyzygy said:
"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."-Joseph Lewis quoting Lincoln
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That is fine and that sounds like Lincoln.

There really is not to be any enforcement of religion or of scriptures as those are just tools and sometimes distractions.

The idea is to have a personal relationship with God which means one-to-one as in one person to their God, which Lincoln gives a true example of what that means.

Lincoln was a man of God and a servant to God, but Lincoln was not a subordinate to any Church or dogma other than right from wrong.
 
JP Cusick said:
As I said it is not a competition, as like superior knowledge is not a thing for getting rich, or to pick the Super Bowl winner, to win the Lottery, as it is not meant to be superior in vanity or in egotism or in worldly status.

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Believing in imaginary beings is not superior knowledge. Do children have superior knowledge because they believe in Santa Claus?
 
JP Cusick said:
It just means that you are blind to it, but in my opinion then I doubt that you are that blind, and you are just being obstinate like a rebellious child.

There is nothing for me to prove, and yet I did give you real examples.

As I said it is not a competition, as like superior knowledge is not a thing for getting rich, or to pick the Super Bowl winner, to win the Lottery, as it is not meant to be superior in vanity or in egotism or in worldly status.

Jesus said it like this = "And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:" and said more too, see here = Matthew 20:25-28


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That is fine and that sounds like Lincoln.

There really is not to be any enforcement of religion or of scriptures as those are just tools and sometimes distractions.

The idea is to have a personal relationship with God which means one-to-one as in one person to their God, which Lincoln gives a true example of what that means.

Lincoln was a man of God and a servant to God, but Lincoln was not a subordinate to any Church or dogma other than right from wrong.
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Ah yes.. the 'oh you are blind to it' nonsense. This declaration appears to be evidence of the Dunning-Kruger effect
 
zyzygy said:
Believing in imaginary beings is not superior knowledge. Do children have superior knowledge because they believe in Santa Claus?
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You are correct in that, and I myself truly do denounce such "belief" as being childish and immature.

We all need to finally see the proof and the reality that there truly is a real Creator Father God and that is the REALITY and it is not a belief.

I would also say that the nonsense about "Santa Claus" and such lies are hurtful to the truth and to Christianity in that it conditions people to view "belief" as the purpose instead of searching for the realities.


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RAMOSS said:
Ah yes.. the 'oh you are blind to it' nonsense. This declaration appears to be evidence of the Dunning-Kruger effect
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It is significant to tell you that you are being blind.

If you were in the place of Abe Lincoln then you would have failed and made a mess of everything, based on the failure to see or to know.

And this is why we have an ignorant barbaric society today in America because our people have rejected the knowledge of God, and the wisdom of the ancients.
 
JP Cusick said:
And this is why we have an ignorant barbaric society today in America because our people have rejected the knowledge of God, and the wisdom of the ancients.
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Yes, back in the Middle Ages when everyone believed in god everything was perfect. If the Old Testament is an example of the wisdom of the ancients then you would have needed a microscope to find the alleged wisdom.
 
JP Cusick said:
We all need to finally see the proof and the reality that there truly is a real Creator Father God and that is the REALITY and it is not a belief.

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No, that is your belief. There is no evidence to suggest that a god is part of reality. By "we all need to see" do you mean going back to the good old days of the Inquisition?
 
JP Cusick said:
It is significant to tell you that you are being blind.

If you were in the place of Abe Lincoln then you would have failed and made a mess of everything, based on the failure to see or to know.

And this is why we have an ignorant barbaric society today in America because our people have rejected the knowledge of God, and the wisdom of the ancients.
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I see. You can't support your claim, so I am blind. That is not a rational response, and actually is good evidence of there not being 'superior knowledge'.
 
RAMOSS said:
I see. You can't support your claim, so I am blind. That is not a rational response, and actually is good evidence of there not being 'superior knowledge'.
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I've come across that phrase before. None of the believers, mystics and mediums seem able to say exactly what this knowledge is. It usually boils down to "the wisdom of the ancients" whatever that might be, or that we are not spiritually advanced enough to understand which is very convenient and saves believers and the like from actually giving an explanation, and of course they can bask in their amazing superiority.
 
zyzygy said:
I've come across that phrase before. None of the believers, mystics and mediums seem able to say exactly what this knowledge is. It usually boils down to "the wisdom of the ancients" whatever that might be, or that we are not spiritually advanced enough to understand which is very convenient and saves believers and the like from actually giving an explanation, and of course they can bask in their amazing superiority.
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Honestly I have given some specifics to both of you so the denials are only in your selves.

1) Link to RAMOSS

2) Link to zyzygy
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Denial is a petty method in the first place, but being on an internet forum where there is an easy access record of everything said - just make the denials into a joke.

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JP Cusick said:
Honestly I have given some specifics to both of you so the denials are only in your selves.

1) Link to RAMOSS

2) Link to zyzygy
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Denial is a petty method in the first place, but being on an internet forum where there is an easy access record of everything said - just make the denials into a joke.
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"My own finding is that every person in the entire world has experiences with some form of Ghost by any name of spirits or Demons or whatever kind of spook"

Are you being serious? You call that evidence? I have never had an experience with a ghost. Everybody in the world? Research? He must have been a busy man, interviewing every person in the world. You'll have to to better than this if you want to find any converts here.
 
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zyzygy said:
"My own finding is that every person in the entire world has experiences with some form of Ghost by any name of spirits or Demons or whatever kind of spook"

Are you being serious? You call that evidence? I have never had an experience with a ghost. Everybody in the world? Research? He must have been a busy man, interviewing every person in the world. You'll have to to better than this if you want to find any converts here.
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A person must have the courage to face such things.

Some people just can not go there.
 
JP Cusick said:
A person must have the courage to face such things.

Some people just can not go there.
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Why don't you address the points I make?
"My own finding is that every person in the entire world has experiences with some form of Ghost by any name of spirits or Demons or whatever kind of spook"

Every person in the world? That is nonsense and you know it. Why can't you say so?
 
zyzygy said:
Why don't you address the points I make?
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I truly did address your point directly and factually and specifically.

If you can not comprehend what is said then that is just not my concern here.

I am trying hard to be considerate and not to be insulting - FYI.

zyzygy said:
"My own finding is that every person in the entire world has experiences with some form of Ghost by any name of spirits or Demons or whatever kind of spook"

Every person in the world? That is nonsense and you know it. Why can't you say so?
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What I said is accurate and true.

I stand behind everything that I posted as my claims are all accurate and true.

It simply is not subject to your approval or to your contempt.
 
JP Cusick said:
A person must have the courage to face such things.

Some people just can not go there.
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I find that a lto of people who claim to see ghosts are just plain mistaken. I got dragged out to an alleged haunted out by a young lady friend I knew. She claims she saw a ghost through the window... and knew I was a skeptic. I pointed out it was nothing but the reflection of a the only street light in a mile. She saw a ghost.. and I could see it was much more common. People fool themselves, and make bold face rhetoric 'You must have the courage to face such things'. I call nonsense on that.
 
JP Cusick said:
I truly did address your point directly and factually and specifically.

If you can not comprehend what is said then that is just not my concern here.

I am trying hard to be considerate and not to be insulting - FYI.


What I said is accurate and true.

I stand behind everything that I posted as my claims are all accurate and true.

It simply is not subject to your approval or to your contempt.
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""My own finding is that every person in the entire world has experiences with some form of Ghost by any name of spirits or Demons or whatever kind of spook"

You actually believe that is true?
 
zyzygy said:
""My own finding is that every person in the entire world has experiences with some form of Ghost by any name of spirits or Demons or whatever kind of spook"

You actually believe that is true?
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I say the posting #69 above by RAMOSS is a perfect example - where they have been shown and then they just reject it out of skepticism and denials.

Every person does experience the Ghost (or whatever they might be) and many if not most people just reject their own experiences.

I have no doubt that you too are simply in denial, and I agree with the quote given by RAMOSS = "You must have the courage to face such things".
 
JP Cusick said:
I say the posting #69 above by RAMOSS is a perfect example - where they have been shown and then they just reject it out of skepticism and denials.

Every person does experience the Ghost (or whatever they might be) and many if not most people just reject their own experiences.

I have no doubt that you too are simply in denial, and I agree with the quote given by RAMOSS = "You must have the courage to face such things".
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There is no Ghost...... (cancel spooky music). I can't face something that doesn't exist.
 
JP Cusick said:
I say the posting #69 above by RAMOSS is a perfect example - where they have been shown and then they just reject it out of skepticism and denials.

Every person does experience the Ghost (or whatever they might be) and many if not most people just reject their own experiences.

I have no doubt that you too are simply in denial, and I agree with the quote given by RAMOSS = "You must have the courage to face such things".
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to me, this appears to be a deflection. Since you can't show you are telling the truth, you try to deflect it to 'you must have the courage to face such things'. yet, you can't show that there is anything to face.
 
RAMOSS said:
to me, this appears to be a deflection. Since you can't show you are telling the truth, you try to deflect it to 'you must have the courage to face such things'. yet, you can't show that there is anything to face.
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I need proof of this thing that I can't face (whatever it is, I have no idea) before I face up not not being able to face this thing that nobody seems able to describe accurately.
 
JP Cusick said:
A person must have the courage to face such things.

Some people just can not go there.
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A person must have the courage to face their own mortality and accept this life for what it is.

There is no supernatural second chance, no 'after life' and your best shot at living on is to pass your genes on and become nutrition for new life.

Ghosts are a product of a sometimes overwhelming desire for immortality and a brain that connects our senses to give us the best chance of survival.
 
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