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Summarily Jesus?

It is true that calling it as a "defect" is not the best terminology, but I find the English language to be very inadequate concerning the relevance to God or Godly subjects.

The "defect" could easily be called "the original sin" or such as that, but the words "original sin" have wrong meaning attached to it, so humans having a "defect" seems more accurate to me.

Not accepting the existence of gods, the occult and the supernatural without being shown any evidence is a strength, not a defect. Original sin does not exist, it is simply a part of a tale from an old book of fairy stories
 
Not accepting the existence of gods, the occult and the supernatural without being shown any evidence is a strength, not a defect.
There really is lots of evidence which demonstrates a real God / an intelligent Creator and your denials do not change that reality.

And I know that you have been told before right here on this forum in your face and eyes so the defect is within your self.

Fortunately I am happy to declare such things again and again, as there is nothing more important or more interesting in this life to tell:

Such things as like the earth as a globe spinning at high speed in empty space being held by invisible forces - that is a far grander and more fantastic of a miracle than anything said in the Bible or in any religious scripture. Walking on water or raising the dead is nothing in comparison to that.

The proof of the "Big Bang" is a real scientific proof of a creation day, and thereby it is a real proof of the Bible chapter 1.

Plus the known existence of Ghost and spirits are another proof of there being a God.

And proof of a living active God can be found in the Bible prophesies fulfilled, see HERE.

Of course there is lots more evidence for anyone who is willing to see.

Original sin does not exist, it is simply a part of a tale from an old book of fairy stories
Like I said calling it as the "original sin" is misleading as that terminology is loaded down with false and confusing nonsense, but I called it as a human defect and for that the evidence and reality of it can be seen in every person including our self and it is widespread worldwide, so it does exist and one only needs to acknowledge this which is so extremely obvious.

Reference = Genesis 3

Some parts of the Bible are false and even some "fairy stories" while other parts are not, and we do need to separate the parts.
 
There really is lots of evidence which demonstrates a real God / an intelligent Creator and your denials do not change that reality.

And I know that you have been told before right here on this forum in your face and eyes so the defect is within your self.

Fortunately I am happy to declare such things again and again, as there is nothing more important or more interesting in this life to tell:

Such things as like the earth as a globe spinning at high speed in empty space being held by invisible forces - that is a far grander and more fantastic of a miracle than anything said in the Bible or in any religious scripture. Walking on water or raising the dead is nothing in comparison to that.

The proof of the "Big Bang" is a real scientific proof of a creation day, and thereby it is a real proof of the Bible chapter 1.

Plus the known existence of Ghost and spirits are another proof of there being a God.

And proof of a living active God can be found in the Bible prophesies fulfilled, see HERE.

Of course there is lots more evidence for anyone who is willing to see.


Like I said calling it as the "original sin" is misleading as that terminology is loaded down with false and confusing nonsense, but I called it as a human defect and for that the evidence and reality of it can be seen in every person including our self and it is widespread worldwide, so it does exist and one only needs to acknowledge this which is so extremely obvious.

Reference = Genesis 3

Some parts of the Bible are false and even some "fairy stories" while other parts are not, and we do need to separate the parts.

When speaking of evidence Quantity≠Quality
 
When speaking of evidence Quantity≠Quality
There is such a thing as "constructive criticism" and I hope that is what here follows:

The words posted above are not coherent, it is not even a true sentence, and maybe the poster simply does not know that.
 
There is such a thing as "constructive criticism" and I hope that is what here follows:

The words posted above are not coherent, it is not even a true sentence, and maybe the poster simply does not know that.

Do you really not understand what that means? I'd be happy to rephrase in easy, simple to understand terms.
 
Jesus: I am the light of the world; no one with a light would hide it; I hide my meaning in parables.


John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."


Luke 8:16 “No one lights a lamp and hides it in a clay jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, they put it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light.”


Mark 4:11-12 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven! "

Now, tell me, by what standards is it a god-like quality to hide the truth?
It isn't really hidden just because you are incapable of seeing it.
 
There really is lots of evidence which demonstrates a real God / an intelligent Creator

You mean campfire stories. There is no real evidence. A Hindu would tell you that there is lots of evidence for the existence of Krishna. Do you believe that Krishna exists or are you a Hindu atheist?
 
You mean campfire stories. There is no real evidence. A Hindu would tell you that there is lots of evidence for the existence of Krishna. Do you believe that Krishna exists or are you a Hindu atheist?
That really depends on perspective. One could say totality is evidence that something that doesn't require an origin, or a beginning, created or caused totality. I think science absolutely states that. You may call it "some unknown physics" or something similar, others may call it God.

Let's put it this way, if some force of nature created the universe couldn't that force of nature be God? You can't tell me what it is, frankly your answer is more difficult to believe. I don't know is similar to saying God did it, frankly I don't see how there is a difference.
 
It isn't really hidden just because you are incapable of seeing it.

The question is, which method of deflection will be used when it is pointed out that there are some 41,000 Christian sects, and they all interpret the parables differently. Not all of them can be correct; they too are incapable of "seeing it".
 
The question is, which method of deflection will be used when it is pointed out that there are some 41,000 Christian sects, and they all interpret the parables differently. Not all of them can be correct; they too are incapable of "seeing it".

Which sect has the real truth, whatever it is. None of the believers here seem able to state exactly what it is, outside of Jesus is the truth, whatever that means.
 
The question is, which method of deflection will be used when it is pointed out that there are some 41,000 Christian sects, and they all interpret the parables differently. Not all of them can be correct; they too are incapable of "seeing it".
I can not see any justification for viewing those 41,000 different interpretations as being some kind of a "deflection" or as a problem.

We can view that as a miraculous phenomenon which would be very hard to fake or to duplicate.

You say that they all can not be correct - and yet I have never known one that could be called as completely wrong.

The only way any can be called wrong is by claiming your own interpretation as being the correct one.

One of the big and true miracles is that each of the parables are so expansive and ever-lasting and so diversified.

It is just a matter of perspective, which is why the one parable declares that each person must have eyes that see and ears that hear and a heart that understands.

With 7 billion people there can be 7 billion interpretations - and that is a miracle indeed.

Most people simply want everything to fit into a nice little basket, and everything just their own way or just one (1) way, and that is what causes the hostilities and the wars.
 
Isn't that is precisely what the various sects do?

Yes, and they all believe that they are right but when pushed about this they say that the others are right too. Even other religions with different gods appear to be right too. It's an odd situation and just shows how religion can affect logic.
 
The question is, which method of deflection will be used when it is pointed out that there are some 41,000 Christian sects, and they all interpret the parables differently. Not all of them can be correct; they too are incapable of "seeing it".
The current Christian sects really represent different opinions. It isn't so much that they all agree on the proper meaning if the bible, but that they follow Christ. I would say if you look a little deeper each Christian is different, it goes with the territory.
 
Isn't that is precisely what the various sects do?
You need to be far more specific then that.

As in = What parable is in question? or in dispute?

The Christian sects are not so hostile or different any more, and often they only argue about silly things, as like can one pray to Mary or not? does one pray to Jesus or through Jesus? or do they accept homosexuals or not? or contraception?

Very few argue about real doctrines or scriptural text or parables.

The Jehovah Witness do and the Mormons do, but mainstream orthodox Christianity are all trying to work together.

The one truly BIG division in our American history was those Churches who supported slavery and those who did not, as that divided the Baptist Church into a separate Southern Baptist.
 
You need to be far more specific then that.

As in = What parable is in question? or in dispute?

The Christian sects are not so hostile or different any more, and often they only argue about silly things, as like can one pray to Mary or not? does one pray to Jesus or through Jesus? or do they accept homosexuals or not? or contraception?

Very few argue about real doctrines or scriptural text or parables.

The Jehovah Witness do and the Mormons do, but mainstream orthodox Christianity are all trying to work together.

The one truly BIG division in our American history was those Churches who supported slavery and those who did not, as that divided the Baptist Church into a separate Southern Baptist.

Are the Southern Baptists still in favour of slavery? It's a biblical tradition. Jesus said it was allowed to beat slaves.
 
Are the Southern Baptists still in favour of slavery? It's a biblical tradition. Jesus said it was allowed to beat slaves.

As long as they didn't die within two days of course, and they were your chattel as long as they were non-Israelite.
 
Are the Southern Baptists still in favour of slavery? It's a biblical tradition. Jesus said it was allowed to beat slaves.
There is still a lot of racial prejudice here in the USA and particularly in the south, and apparently such white people will forever hold onto their bigotry and ignorance.

Jesus never ever said to beat slaves, and the scriptures do not really support slavery but it was racist white people who translated the scriptures wrongfully into the Bible, and white people are not being true in using the Bible to support the racism or any form of cruelty.

Where the Bible says "slave" it would be more accurate translated as "employee" but white sensitivity could not handle the correct interpretations.

The Bible was used correctly by the African American people in their marches for "Civil Rights" and in that case the righteousness of the Bible shined through.

White traditions which are claimed to be based on the Bible were never accurate or true.
 
Jesus: I am the light of the world; no one with a light would hide it; I hide my meaning in parables.


John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."


Luke 8:16 “No one lights a lamp and hides it in a clay jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, they put it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light.”


Mark 4:11-12 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven! "

Now, tell me, by what standards is it a god-like quality to hide the truth?

The road is paved with meditation. Easy answers spoil one into living without thinking about the 360 effect: everything you do effects the people around you. Moreover, parables and verse are easily remembered.
 
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