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grip said:
You can't save life without growth expansion.

Penicillin and other advancements don't have to lead to over population. Eventually we won't have the resources or money to keep everyone healthy, that's simply an inevitable fact.
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Wrong.

We are just beginning to investigate the use of asteroids as sources of useful material.

Within the next 30 years we will see the start of industrial resource extraction from asteroids and/or the Moon. This will be the the greatest leap of wealth in human history.

Within this century there will be large industrial activities happening in Earth orbit. Space is the best place to do heavy engineering.

Within the next century, or maybe this one, we will see large populations living in habitats in space. We will build paradise in the heavens.

Within a few centuries some group of humans will fall out with the rest and decide to leave and go traveling. Expect this to be a habitat of a population of around a billion people.

In a thousand years humanity will be spreading over the galaxy.

In a million years expect humanity to have spread all over the galaxy.
 
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Blah, blah, blah... I've pulled my finger for better answers.
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grip said:
When you learn to be anything other than snarky, I'll debate with you. I'll only take impoliteness from very smart people.
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You see in others your own faults.
 
grip said:
There's an ineffable quality to existence that we're missing out on lately. That's why I kept posting videos of songs that touch the brain (soul) with qualities beyond reasoning.
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You are probably missing a sense of connectedness to the greater culture (normlessness). At least that would be my guess, its something neurochemically shown to bring great amounts of subtle yet calming pleasure. Its a pretty powerful human instinct.

Me, I grew up in some rather dark circumstances and never gained access to that sort of feeling until recently, but I think I "get it" even though its not all that important to me.

you may want to see if this rings a bell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie
 
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grip said:
You can't save life without growth expansion.

Penicillin and other advancements don't have to lead to over population. Eventually we won't have the resources or money to keep everyone healthy, that's simply an inevitable fact.
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You mean its more expensive to provide enetically modified food than drugs?
I dont see any problem between giving penicillin to sick and poor people in Zambia and giving enetically modified food to hungry people in other city. Those people will live longer.
 
grip said:
You can't save life without growth expansion.

Penicillin and other advancements don't have to lead to over population. Eventually we won't have the resources or money to keep everyone healthy, that's simply an inevitable fact.
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Not necessarily, I read an artical about Bill Gates and he had the same concern about the growth in human population, so he used computers to help women around the world to learn about birth control. However, one day during a meeting about supervision on birth, he noticed that as long the death rate declining the birth rate is acting the same. The thing is married couple in a third world country is aking ten babies due to the reason they know that some of their children won't survive, so if this couple had no fear that their children will die, they will make less children. As result, Gates foundation started to focus on immunizations instead of preventing births.
 
grip said:
This place of torturing, terrorizing, cutting off heads and blowing people up isn't the world I remember. Or was I sheltered from it and just starting to see it for what it's always been? Between looney idealism and excessive greed, I feel like I've fallen in the rabbit hole.
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You were sheltered from it. Statistically the world is a safer place today than it probably ever has been.
 
Tim the plumber said:
You see in others your own faults.
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Probably, but most of your responses are so off track, uninformed, over opinionated and sarcastic that it's totally worthless for me to respond.

You spew common knowledge out like it's news and informing the ignorant, not impressive.



tacomancer said:
You are probably missing a sense of connectedness to the greater culture (normlessness). At least that would be my guess, its something neurochemically shown to bring great amounts of subtle yet calming pleasure. Its a pretty powerful human instinct.

Me, I grew up in some rather dark circumstances and never gained access to that sort of feeling until recently, but I think I "get it" even though its not all that important to me.

you may want to see if this rings a bell: Anomie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I believe the sense of connectedness is lost more with age and the fast changing of culture and technology. My father and old friend grew up self reliant, like you, and never did see the world as being harsher, probably because to them it literally was better as they changed their circumstances.

My preponderance was that Anomie is happening on a large scale, due to lack of empathy and cohesive social goals.



NO1 said:
You mean its more expensive to provide enetically modified food than drugs?
I dont see any problem between giving penicillin to sick and poor people in Zambia and giving enetically modified food to hungry people in other city. Those people will live longer.
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NO1 said:
Not necessarily, I read an artical about Bill Gates and he had the same concern about the growth in human population, so he used computers to help women around the world to learn about birth control. However, one day during a meeting about supervision on birth, he noticed that as long the death rate declining the birth rate is acting the same. The thing is married couple in a third world country is aking ten babies due to the reason they know that some of their children won't survive, so if this couple had no fear that their children will die, they will make less children. As result, Gates foundation started to focus on immunizations instead of preventing births.
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No, GM food is fine to feed the current poverty stricken people or possibly everyone. I don't say get rid of the poor, simply try to set some sort of boundaries on how many people we can realistically continue to support. When they talk about Climate Change, pollution and water, food and energy shortages, it's not because we're so few in number that we're having no effect.
 
grip said:
No, GM food is fine to feed the current poverty stricken people or possibly everyone. I don't say get rid of the poor, simply try to set some sort of boundaries on how many people we can realistically continue to support. When they talk about Climate Change, pollution and water, food and energy shortages, it's not because we're so few in number that we're having no effect.
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Ok, but what I wanted to show is that saving life wont necessarily cause increase in human population (more than it can stop the growth), so if someone can feed hungry people in third world countries with GM food Ill support it.
 
grip said:
Probably, but most of your responses are so off track, uninformed, over opinionated and sarcastic that it's totally worthless for me to respond.

You spew common knowledge out like it's news and informing the ignorant, not impressive.
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Care to support your ignorant aggressive insults with some sort of, you know, evidence?

As it is, without such evidence, it just looks like you are immature and have lost an argument.
 
NO1 said:
Ok, but what I wanted to show is that saving life wont necessarily cause increase in human population (more than it can stop the growth), so if someone can feed hungry people in third world countries with GM food Ill support it.
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I agree that once life is born, we have an obligation to protect and nourish it. But I believe you are incorrect in the assumption that preventing death doesn't increase the population, that simply doesn't compute.



Tim the plumber said:
Care to support your ignorant aggressive insults with some sort of, you know, evidence?

As it is, without such evidence, it just looks like you are immature and have lost an argument.
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Oh my, I completely apologize, you have clearly won the argument with yourself. :mrgreen:

Because, I was never arguing or trying to empirically prove anything, thru intangible communication on a forum. It was meant to be a supposition or postulation looking for any other confirmations and observations. But if you were arguing for a set of facts that you can't prove beyond your opinions or cut & pasting, then your thesis is irrelevant to the conversation.
 
grip said:
Oh my, I completely apologize, you have clearly won the argument with yourself. :mrgreen:

Because, I was never arguing or trying to empirically prove anything, thru intangible communication on a forum. It was meant to be a supposition or postulation looking for any other confirmations and observations. But if you were arguing for a set of facts that you can't prove beyond your opinions or cut & pasting, then your thesis is irrelevant to the conversation.
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Your argument tactic of spewing out the things others have said about you at similar people is hardly new and it is very dishonest.

This was the point which sparked your insulting attack on me;

The natural balance would be humanity living as hunter gathers.

How about we continue to develop or ability to do clever stuff and be able to grow lots of food when we need it from location such as deserts or hydroponic gardens?
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Whilst it does show that your idea that this is a time of turbulence to be wrong by, as you say, spouting out common knowledge, it is not insulting, and, I feel, does not warrant your insults.

Clearly you have some sort of maturity problem.
 
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Tim the plumber said:
Your argument tactic of spewing out the things others have said about you at similar people is hardly new and it is very dishonest.

This was the point which sparked your insulting attack on me;



Whilst it does show that your idea that this is a time of turbulence to be wrong by, as you say, spouting out common knowledge, it is not insulting, and, I feel, does not warrant your insults.

Clearly you have some sort of maturity problem.
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If the truth hurts, you'll need to deal with it. ;)
 
Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
Your argument tactic of spewing out the things others have said about you at similar people is hardly new and it is very dishonest.

This was the point which sparked your insulting attack on me;



Whilst it does show that your idea that this is a time of turbulence to be wrong by, as you say, spouting out common knowledge, it is not insulting, and, I feel, does not warrant your insults.

Clearly you have some sort of maturity problem.
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grip said:
If the truth hurts, you'll need to deal with it. ;)
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Your reply has very clearly demonstrated my point.
 
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