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Religion is Make-Believe

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Would it not be better if people just admitted that basic fact?

Religion is made up mumbo jumbo used to give comfort or explain things that are not easy to understand. It's not based on anything tangible or verifiable through experimentation. It's a belief system nothing more or less.

We have Mormons, Muslims, Christians, Scientologists, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Animists, Pagans, Wiccans, Satanists and a whole bunch of hybrids in between. They can't all be right, but most are definitely wrong. It's safe to say, none have it right. And, not a single one of their supernatural beliefs can be proven to be real.

It's time to call religion what it is--make-believe.
 
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Didn't you start essentially the same thread a couple of months ago?
 
Metaphysical expression is human nature. Suppressing metaphysical expression is low class and authoritarian.
 
Gardener said:
same old crap rehashed over and over and over again, that sort of "essentially the same".
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When people finally admit that their religion is make-believe, we won't have to rehash the same old crap over and over again.
 
Internet atheists are all the same and always spout the same dogma. There must be a site somewhere that they get their schtick. I bet they all get together on Sundays, pass the hat and witness.
 
Nothing like the zeal of an evangelist.



calamity said:
When people finally admit that their religion is make-believe, we won't have to rehash the same old crap over and over again.
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TobyOne said:
Nothing like the zeal of an evangelist.
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Fun would be watching representitives of all 4200 religions debating each other :)
 
TobyOne said:
Internet atheists are all the same and always spout the same dogma. There must be a site somewhere that they get their schtick. I bet they all get together on Sundays, pass the hat and witness.
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Cosmos. Our reverend is the honorable Neil DeGaus Tyson. ;)
 
Most are mutually exclusive, so they're all wrong or one is right. South Park says its the mormons.


calamity said:
Fun would be watching representitives of all 4200 religions debating each other :)
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TobyOne said:
Internet atheists are all the same and always spout the same dogma. There must be a site somewhere that they get their schtick. I bet they all get together on Sundays, pass the hat and witness.
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So an atheist that uses the internet is an "internet atheist". See this all non-believers, the internet is not for you but only for the people that believe in nothingness or "God" as some call it.
 
ecofarm said:
Metaphysical expression is human nature. Suppressing metaphysical expression is low class and authoritarian.
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You don't hold with the idea of things being wrong then?

It's every answer has merit is it?
 
TobyOne said:
Internet atheists are all the same and always spout the same dogma. There must be a site somewhere that they get their schtick. I bet they all get together on Sundays, pass the hat and witness.
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Nah, we all get regular emails from the Atheist Central Conspiracy telling us what to do, you shouldn't suppose that just because the religious like to get together every Friday, Saturday and Sunday to seek self validation that the non-religious do the same.
 
I don't attend church to seek self-validation.
 
Those who understand the concepts of patternicity and apophenia realize why a thread like this is useless. Those who do not are likely religious.
 
CriticalThought said:
Those who understand the concepts of patternicity and apophenia realize why a thread like this is useless. Those who do not are likely religious.
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I don't know what these words mean. Yes, I checked with Dictionary.com before asking.
 
calamity said:
Would it not be better if people just admitted that basic fact?

Religion is made up mumbo jumbo used to give comfort or explain things that are not easy to understand. It's not based on anything tangible or verifiable through experimentation. It's a belief system nothing more or less.

We have Mormons, Muslims, Christians, Scientologists, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Animists, Pagans, Wiccans, Satanists and a whole bunch of hybrids in between. They can't all be right, but most are definitely wrong. It's safe to say, none have it right. And, not a single one of their supernatural beliefs can be proven to be real.

It's time to call religion what it is--make-believe.
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I recall when "The Matrix" came out. It was quite thought-provoking .. though, of course, completely make-believe.

But fantasy is reality's childhood, and intuitive speculation leads to grown-up theoretical physics postulations that sometimes prove true .. so today we know that the photonic zero-point field within dark matter exists throughout all known existence .. and has a "spiritual" aspect to it.

Whether we as "spirits" are just on vacation here from our dark matter job of keeping the galaxies from collapsing on themselves or we're simply being "quality-checked" for the next stage in our development, unless during a glitch in the process someone (Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, ?) got a glimpse of something they weren't yet supposed to see, no one really knows.

Now, sure, when the inquiring existential angst masses need answers, they can make "gods" out of the aforementioned, and guardians appear who codify doctrine, doctrine that has a tendency to include and exclude, leaving those excluded a bit peeved, to say the least, as evidenced by this thread's existence. But it's not all that easy for those included, as they're constantly under "scrutiny".

Humanity has historically attempted to make sense of it all .. without yet much proof of anything in particular.

But I dare say there's more to life in existence than our limited view of it, right Einstein? You can be relativity sure of that!

Perhaps, for the moment, it's at least utilitarianly best to simply enjoy ourselves (if indeed we're just vacationing here :) ) while being as respectful to our self and others as possible (if indeed we're still on the assembly line :shock: ).

Ultimately, we won't know for sure what it's all about until after our time here is over, so "make-believe" will simply have to do.

What could it self-victoriously hurt to be well prepared for the most reasonable eventualities?

What self-defeating harm could it do if we're not?

No one knows for sure, I suppose.

Not for sure, anyway, not now at this point in our existence.

Eventually knowing for sure, that's the future's realm of knowledge .. you know, the "future" -- that substantively unseen yet evidently hoped-for "make-believe" fantasy realm that's non-existent in the here and now, but in which so many desire to put faith for their continued existence.
 
Ontologuy said:
I recall when "The Matrix" came out. It was quite thought-provoking .. though, of course, completely make-believe.

But fantasy is reality's childhood, and intuitive speculation leads to grown-up theoretical physics postulations that sometimes prove true .. so today we know that the photonic zero-point field within dark matter exists throughout all known existence .. and has a "spiritual" aspect to it.

Whether we as "spirits" are just on vacation here from our dark matter job of keeping the galaxies from collapsing on themselves or we're simply being "quality-checked" for the next stage in our development, unless during a glitch in the process someone (Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, ?) got a glimpse of something they weren't yet supposed to see, no one really knows.

Now, sure, when the inquiring existential angst masses need answers, they can make "gods" out of the aforementioned, and guardians appear who codify doctrine, doctrine that has a tendency to include and exclude, leaving those excluded a bit peeved, to say the least, as evidenced by this thread's existence. But it's not all that easy for those included, as they're constantly under "scrutiny".

Humanity has historically attempted to make sense of it all .. without yet much proof of anything in particular.

But I dare say there's more to life in existence than our limited view of it, right Einstein? You can be relativity sure of that!

Perhaps, for the moment, it's at least utilitarianly best to simply enjoy ourselves (if indeed we're just vacationing here :) ) while being as respectful to our self and others as possible (if indeed we're still on the assembly line :shock: ).

Ultimately, we won't know for sure what it's all about until after our time here is over, so "make-believe" will simply have to do.

What could it self-victoriously hurt to be well prepared for the most reasonable eventualities?

What self-defeating harm could it do if we're not?

No one knows for sure, I suppose.

Not for sure, anyway, not now at this point in our existence.

Eventually knowing for sure, that's the future's realm of knowledge .. you know, the "future" -- that substantively unseen yet evidently hoped-for "make-believe" fantasy realm that's non-existent in the here and now, but in which so many desire to put faith for their continued existence.
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I have no problem with admitting that we don't know this, that or the other. But, religion does the opposite--it pushes a make-believe answer to all of life's mysteries.
 
Tim the plumber said:

You don't hold with the idea of things being wrong then?

It's every answer has merit is it?
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What? People can derive right and wrong regardless of their chosen metaphysical expression.
 
calamity said:
I have no problem with admitting that we don't know this, that or the other. But, religion does the opposite--it pushes a make-believe answer to all of life's mysteries.
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Of course it does -- more or less, that's what each specific religion does, each in its own way.

That's the nature of the beast.

Religion, by it's very nature, abhors pure agnosticism.

Essentially you're complaining about snakes biting .. but that's what they do.

Better would be to complain that the countryside is overrun with snakes, if indeed that's truly the case.

Either way, you're simply complaining because you don't like snakes.

I take it you've been bitten.
 
Ontologuy said:
Of course it does -- more or less, that's what each specific religion does, each in its own way.

That's the nature of the beast.

Religion, by it's very nature, abhors pure agnosticism.

Essentially you're complaining about snakes biting .. but that's what they do.

Better would be to complain that the countryside is overrun with snakes, if indeed that's truly the case.

Either way, you're simply complaining because you don't like snakes.

I take it you've been bitten.
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It is the 'Entitlement Culture' within religion that is the problem.
 
Ontologuy said:
Of course it does -- more or less, that's what each specific religion does, each in its own way.

That's the nature of the beast.

Religion, by it's very nature, abhors pure agnosticism.

Essentially you're complaining about snakes biting .. but that's what they do.

Better would be to complain that the countryside is overrun with snakes, if indeed that's truly the case.

Either way, you're simply complaining because you don't like snakes.

I take it you've been bitten.
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Once bitten, twice shy. Lol. But, no. Never been religious nor had a bad experience with it. That's not to say I don't personally know plenty of folks who have.

The worst thing that happened to me was being surrounded by bible thumpers when I lived down South.
 
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