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Are ghosts real?

CLAX1911 said:
They don't exist in a material sense but are marital things the only things that exist?
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That's the thing. Does something not exist if we do not yet know how to verify it, falsify it, quantify it, measure it? Is there such a thing as telepathy? I believe there is as I have witnessed that beyond a reasonable doubt. Clairvoyance? I think there is more evidence to support that than evidence that it doesn't. There were a half dozen witnesses to my mother knowing the very moment her brother was gravely injured in Korea--they watched her circle the date on the calendar though it would be several days before she was officially notified as his closest next of kin. And then there are our own thoughts. Do any of these things consist of matter? Is there a force of measurable energy in them? I don't know. But I find the concept fascinating. And I think we cannot rule out the possibility of ghosts existing or some paranormal phenomenon that we call ghosts.
 
CLAX1911 said:
They don't exist in a material sense but are marital things the only things that exist?
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Yes. That which does not exist, does not exist.

People hear bumps in the night at cemeteries all the time, but why only at the cemetery? The entire world is 4.5 billion years old. The entire Earth is a cemetery. Yet ghosts and demons never appear at concerts, the beach, ice cream shops, sunny parks or any place with a video camera. Only at that one cemetery where that one person was creeped out, which had probably only been that way for ... 50 years?

Secondly since when are ghost solely obsessed with creeping people out? For some reason, ghosts have left behind the rather common desires of chatting with friends, wanting to play Xbox, hiking the natural wonders of the world or checking out the hotties at the gym. Now we're advancing the thought that non-material ghosts solely exist to move objects around? At night.

Sounds completely logical.
 
AlbqOwl said:
That's the thing. Does something not exist if we do not yet know how to verify it, falsify it, quantify it, measure it? Is there such a thing as telepathy? I believe there is as I have witnessed that beyond a reasonable doubt. Clairvoyance? I think there is more evidence to support that than evidence that it doesn't. There were a half dozen witnesses to my mother knowing the very moment her brother was gravely injured in Korea--they watched her circle the date on the calendar though it would be several days before she was officially notified as his closest next of kin. And then there are our own thoughts. Do any of these things consist of matter? Is there a force of measurable energy in them? I don't know. But I find the concept fascinating. And I think we cannot rule out the possibility of ghosts existing or some paranormal phenomenon that we call ghosts.
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How is it that all the religious DP posters are the ones that believe in UFOs, telepathy, clairvoyance, ghosts, etc.?
 
brothern said:
How is it that all the religious DP posters are the ones that believe in UFOs, telepathy, clairvoyance, ghosts, etc.?
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I don't know but that is a fascinating statement. Could you please share your data to back it up? I'm sure those of us interested in scientific possibilities would be fascinated by it.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I don't know but that is a fascinating statement. Could you please share your data to back it up? I'm sure those of us interested in scientific possibilities would be fascinated by it.
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Let's call it an acute observation that those who are saved by a risen-again zombie also believe their mothers are clairvoyant.
 
brothern said:
Yes. That which does not exist, does not exist.
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You are moving the goal posts. You said things that don't have a physical component don't exist. This is short sighted. Does physics explain the universe perfectly?

People hear bumps in the night at cemeteries all the time, but why only at the cemetery? The entire world is 4.5 billion years old. The entire Earth is a cemetery. Yet ghosts and demons never appear at concerts, the beach, ice cream shops, sunny parks or any place with a video camera. Only at that one cemetery where that one person was creeped out, which had probably only been that way for ... 50 years?
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No, people have been seeing spirits for millennia. And perhaps they are in sunny parks and the beach it's just we are too detracted to see them. I know people that have experienced paranormal things in places other than the cemetery. Is it your contention that they are just deranged?

Secondly since when are ghost solely obsessed with creeping people out?
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Who said they are? I am creeped out by opossums, that doesn't meanthey exist solely to creep me out, just that they do.
For some reason, ghosts have left behind the rather common desires of chatting with friends, wanting to play Xbox, hiking the natural wonders of the world or checking out the hotties at the gym. Now we're advancing the thought that non-material ghosts solely exist to move objects around? At night.
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Why would something that isn't human enjoy human things? You are very narrow minded on this topic.

Sounds completely logical.
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When you use a logical fallacy yes it isn't logical.
 
AlbqOwl said:
That's the thing. Does something not exist if we do not yet know how to verify it, falsify it, quantify it, measure it? Is there such a thing as telepathy? I believe there is as I have witnessed that beyond a reasonable doubt. Clairvoyance? I think there is more evidence to support that than evidence that it doesn't. There were a half dozen witnesses to my mother knowing the very moment her brother was gravely injured in Korea--they watched her circle the date on the calendar though it would be several days before she was officially notified as his closest next of kin. And then there are our own thoughts. Do any of these things consist of matter? Is there a force of measurable energy in them? I don't know. But I find the concept fascinating. And I think we cannot rule out the possibility of ghosts existing or some paranormal phenomenon that we call ghosts.
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Apparently ideas and thoughts don't exist. because they have no physical component.
 
~SAL said:
I'd say ditto

I believe they are some type of energy although a trapped soul, meh I doubt it, more like a piece of energy trapped in a time warp since time is not actually linear, but I don't know.
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I don't really think they are a "trapped" soul, but maybe one who is strongly emotionally tied to a person, a place, or another part of their existence here, and they don't want to let go completely. I know that at least a couple of the native American tribes believed something very similar, and even today, there is a custom after a person has died, for the friends and family members not to speak their name for at least a year after they have died. This is supposedly to encourage the "spirit" to go on and leave, and to avoid feeding energy into the surroundings which keep the departed person from wanting to leave his loved ones.
 
CLAX1911 said:
No, I didn't really have reservations.

The thing I have heard about in grave yards are sometimes called shadow people, they tend to be linked to possession. So I think they are demons. Plus a friend of mine had told me about it without knowing what a shadow person was. He and a friend of his were divinity students.
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Who are they possessing?
 
There is no evidence to suggest that ghosts are real. Every shred of evidence we have shows that the moment your brain activity ceases, everything that made you a unique individual dies with it.
 
I felt a ghost once but I couldn't see her, it was my mother who passed two years ago. She hugged me.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm not sure, but at least by frightening to death. I'm pretty sure they can also throw things and push people off ledges.
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I'll buy the frightening people to death, but only if they're willing to be frightened.
 
No scientific evidence currently shows the existence of paranormal events or entities to be true.
 
Jetboogieman said:
No scientific evidence currently shows the existence of paranormal events or entities to be true.
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And, when you walk through a spooky graveyard or past a supposedly haunted house, and hear an unexplained sound, or see an unexplained light or movement, you're able to just brush it off with the above statement.

Right?
 
Dittohead not! said:
And, when you walk through a spooky graveyard or past a supposedly haunted house, and hear an unexplained sound, or see an unexplained light or movement, you're able to just brush it off with the above statement.

Right?
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Psychosomatic auditory hallucinations...

Most people have to pay for such a thing.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Jetboogieman said:
No scientific evidence currently shows the existence of paranormal events or entities to be true.
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And, when you walk through a spooky graveyard or past a supposedly haunted house, and hear an unexplained sound, or see an unexplained light or movement, you're able to just brush it off with the above statement. Right?
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Yes? Why would you be afraid of something that doesn't exist? I don't fear goblins, demons, witches, gods or devils, poltergeists or ghost. That which does not exist cannot cause harm. I'm not afraid of the dark. Only the small, terrified mind swamped in the hallucinations that cloud his judgement is afraid.
 
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