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What If The Big Bang Is Indeed A Mistake?

Well Quantum uncertainty and the ability life has to throw a wrench in it... and much like other aspects of quantum physics seem to violate traditional laws of physics and thermodynamics.

Like energy can be created from nothing... as long as it's returned after a very very short time.

There are theories that the universe could be just a soup of possibilities, until an observer comes by...
kind of like a an mmo lol.

Right so, how does all that violate Physics or the 'Laws of Physics'. Which ones does it violate?

Where is the 'Participatory Anthropic Principle' in the 'Laws of Physics'?
 
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Well Quantum uncertainty and the ability life has to throw a wrench in it... and much like other aspects of quantum physics seem to violate traditional laws of physics and thermodynamics.

That's why it's called quantum mecahanics. Newtonian mechanics only works in the macroscopic world.
 
We make choices/move/and do things that are based on nothing that really exists.

Everything else in the universe has a cause and effect, life doesn't follow that.

For example,
You have a coin with heads and tails.... You say if the coin lands on tails... you turn left.... heads you turn right...
flip and the coin lands on heads...
the outcome of the coin determined your movement.
The concept of heads and tails, are just invented ideas that don't truly exist other than in the conceptions of our minds, but they still affect your destination. We created a cause out of nothing.

No other object or thing in the universe does this except for life.

physics has very little to do with that beyond how our brain chemistry functions to create those perceptions.
 
physics has very little to do with that beyond how our brain chemistry functions to create those perceptions.
Physics has everything to do with it...
Physics is the foundation of chemistry...
I have a degree in physics.
 
That's why it's called quantum mecahanics. Newtonian mechanics only works in the macroscopic world.

Macroscopic life make quantum changes by merely observing.
 
Macroscopic life make quantum changes by merely observing.

How would that make the Big Bang a mistake? (I have no idea what the mistake would be nor who made it)
 
We make choices/move/and do things that are based on nothing that really exists.

Everything else in the universe has a cause and effect, life doesn't follow that.

Please provide evidence that our choices are not the result of cause and effect.

Please show that everything else in the universe has a cause and effect. Include quantum mechanics effects in that.
 
The best I'm going to do for you is make logical arguments.

Please provide evidence that our choices are not the result of cause and effect.
Because, like my example... the cause is the concept of heads and tails. Which isn't anything that is actually real. The physical part of flipping the coin is... but we let something that was an outside force determine something that was conceptual and in the end changed our destination. We let the result of the coin change our destination, which is something the universe could have never accounted for... because we let unreal things determine a real thing.

Please show that everything else in the universe has a cause and effect. Include quantum mechanics effects in that.
Much like the law of conservation of energy and entropy.
 
Macroscopic life make quantum changes by merely observing.

Is that important? Presumably these quantum changes were running well before there was life in the universe.
 
The best I'm going to do for you is make logical arguments.

Because, like my example... the cause is the concept of heads and tails. Which isn't anything that is actually real. The physical part of flipping the coin is... but we let something that was an outside force determine something that was conceptual and in the end changed our destination. We let the result of the coin change our destination, which is something the universe could have never accounted for... because we let unreal things determine a real thing.

Much like the law of conservation of energy and entropy.


Those do not support your claims. they are more weak analogies, and poor understanding of physics.
 
Those do not support your claims. they are more weak analogies, and poor understanding of physics.
I don't have a weak understanding of physics... I do it for a living...but I'm afraid I do not have the energy to go beyond that.

My one and only point was to show how life is special and unlike anything else in the universe in a very unique way. We are talking about things that are largely unexplained and mystery to modern science. The analogies are meant to demonstrate one of them.
 
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The best I'm going to do for you is make logical arguments.

Because, like my example... the cause is the concept of heads and tails. Which isn't anything that is actually real. The physical part of flipping the coin is... but we let something that was an outside force determine something that was conceptual and in the end changed our destination. We let the result of the coin change our destination, which is something the universe could have never accounted for... because we let unreal things determine a real thing.

Much like the law of conservation of energy and entropy.

If one lets a coin choose one's destination then one is in need of help.
 
If one lets a coin choose one's destination then one is in need of help.
it's an example... like Schrodinger's cat ... thought experiment to show the hidden workings of reality
 
If one lets a coin choose one's destination then one is in need of help.
It basically shows that life... is unpredictable... because we make choices and move on things that aren't quantifiable.
 
it's an example... like Schrodinger's cat ... thought experiment to show the hidden workings of reality

Fair enough, although Schrodinger said that the cat experiment was a ridiculous case.
 
It basically shows that life... is unpredictable... because we make choices and move on things that aren't quantifiable.

True, but what does that have to do with the Big Bang being a mistake, whatever that means.
 
True, but what does that have to do with the Big Bang being a mistake, whatever that means.
Nothing lol... I admit I went a little off topic... I think I was replying to someones comment.
 
Does anyone now why the Big Bang could be a mistake? Can any process in nature be called a mistake? It seems like a nonsensical statement.
 
Macroscopic life make quantum changes by merely observing.

Except, of course, the 'observation' does not have to be 'life'. It could be any kind of interaction with the outside world.. a non-isolated system.

So, this example shows a lack of understanding of how that works!

From Observer effect (physics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The theoretical foundation of the concept of measurement in quantum mechanics is a contentious issue deeply connected to the many interpretations of quantum mechanics. A key topic is that of wave function collapse, for which some interpretations assert that measurement causes a discontinuous change into an eigenstate of the operator associated with the quantity that was measured. More explicitly, the superposition principle (ψ = Σanψn) of quantum physics says that for a wave function ψ, a measurement will give a state of the quantum system of one of the m possible eigenvalues fn, n=1,2...m, of the operator \hat{F} which is part of the eigenfunctions ψn, n=1,2,...n. Once we have measured the system, we know its current state and this stops it from being in one of its other states.[3] This means that the type of measurement that we do on the system affects the end state of the system. An experimentally studied situation related to this is the quantum Zeno effect, in which a quantum state would decay if left alone but does not decay because of its continuous observation. The dynamics of a quantum system under continuous observation is described by a quantum stochastic master equation known as the Belavkin equation.[4][5][6]

An important aspect of the concept of measurement has been clarified in some QM experiments where a small, complex, and non-sentient sensor proved sufficient as an "observer"—there is no need for a conscious "observer".[7]
 
Except, of course, the 'observation' does not have to be 'life'. It could be any kind of interaction with the outside world.. a non-isolated system.

So, this example shows a lack of understanding of how that works!

From Observer effect (physics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are correct about the observer, but that was not anything I was alluding to... I never claimed that life was the only observer... I made a big spiel about how I thought life was different though.

It's how they do it.

hmmm it appears, you have no interest in understanding what I'm saying.
 
You are correct about the observer, but that was not anything I was alluding to... I never claimed that life was the only observer... I made a big spiel about how I thought life was different though.

It's how they do it.

hmmm it appears, you have no interest in understanding what I'm saying.

You made the claim that life violates the laws of physics. I don't understand what you are saying if that is nto what you mean.
 
Is there any chance of getting back on topic? How could the Big Bang be described as a mistake? Is the Sun a mistake?
 
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