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Bible Versus that Turn Your Head

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I stumbled onto this one the other day.
Exodus 21:2-6 - Hebrew Servants -

“If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.

5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges.[a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.
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Now, I admit that I am not the best at deciphering God's Word, but it does seem to me that He is laying down the rules for owning other humans here, including how to push out an old slave...er, servant, while keeping his offspring. However, I guess, the servant can ask to stay as long as he allows himself to be mutilated. No such clause for letting the servant take his wife and kids with him...unless he came with wife and kids, it seems.
 
calamity said:
I stumbled onto this one the other day.
Exodus 21:2-6 - Hebrew Servants -



Now, I admit that I am not the best at deciphering God's Word, but it does seem to me that He is laying down the rules for owning other humans here, including how to push out an old slave...er, servant, while keeping his offspring. However, I guess, the servant can ask to stay as long as he allows himself to be mutilated. No such clause for letting the servant take his wife and kids with him...unless he came with wife and kids, it seems.
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More like leasing. ;)

You have to remember that slavery was legal and common during that time. According to this report, some 30 million live as 'property' today.

This map shows where the world’s 30 million slaves live. There are 60,000 in the U.S. - The Washington Post
 
Paschendale said:
Neither of those things make slavery even the tiniest bit permissible. It was evil then, and it is evil now.
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At least there were rules for it in the old Testament.

What about being a slave to a Socialist government?
 
Its pretty obvious that conquering lord types have invaded the bible to benefit themselves a few times.
 
I'm only playing because God is specifically picking on my chosen profession.

(Exodus 20:4-6)

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
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calamity said:
Now, I admit that I am not the best at deciphering God's Word, but it does seem to me that He is laying down the rules for owning other humans here, including how to push out an old slave...er, servant, while keeping his offspring. However, I guess, the servant can ask to stay as long as he allows himself to be mutilated. No such clause for letting the servant take his wife and kids with him...unless he came with wife and kids, it seems.
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Um, since that was the usual custom back then, I'm not sure why you find this surprising.
 
calamity said:
I stumbled .
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Is "stumble" really the right word to use in order to express the notion of finding exactly what you were looking for?
 
I find the Freudian word choice error in the thread subject line very interesting. :lol:
 
Lutherf said:
Heck, it was a career choice for a lot of people.
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Yeah, it probably beats the hell out of some other choices back then, and based on what I've read, I'd sure as hell have rather been a slave to a Hebrew than some of the other potential masters available.
 
lizzie said:
Um, since that was the usual custom back then, I'm not sure why you find this surprising.
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Perhaps because convincing others that the "true word of God" just happened to condone the actions/customs of those in power at the time is a tricky business. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Perhaps because convincing others that the "true word of God" just happened to condone the actions/customs of those in power at the time is a tricky business. ;)
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And more likely just because slave and human ownership was standard back then, and still is in parts of the world today. I doubt that anyone was trying to justify their actions by using God's name. God doesn't appear to have been viewed in quite the same light that it is viewed in, in Christianity today.
 
Amadeus said:
I'm only playing because God is specifically picking on my chosen profession.
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Exodus 20:4-6)

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


How do you make a living "visiting iniquity" on children, fer gawdsakes?
Just curious.
 
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

This may have been edited in some editions of the Bible, but it comes from the direct translation from Biblical Hebrew. Just something I sometimes like to meditate on. Perhaps representative of the duality of mankind? Is "he" alone too limited to describe an infinite being? How do you guys interpret it?
 
Jesse Booth said:
This may have been edited in some editions of the Bible, but it comes from the direct translation from Biblical Hebrew. Just something I sometimes like to meditate on. Perhaps representative of the duality of mankind? Is "he" alone too limited to describe an infinite being? How do you guys interpret it?
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Hmmm, interesting question, and one that I really hadn't thought about before. Perhaps God isn't an it, or a him, but a them. I have always sort of envisioned something without any form at all, and more of just a sort of energy or force that humans assign human features to, by default.
 
radioman said:
Exodus 20:4-6)

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


How do you make a living "visiting iniquity" on children, fer gawdsakes?
Just curious.
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I suspect that God doesn't do it, but it happens as a natural result of poor choices and actions.
 
radioman said:
Exodus 20:4-6)

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


How do you make a living "visiting iniquity" on children, fer gawdsakes?
Just curious.
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I was wondering too.
 
radioman said:
Exodus 20:4-6)

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


How do you make a living "visiting iniquity" on children, fer gawdsakes?
Just curious.
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No problem. It's hard to see, but God is saying that certain artwork is off limits, and he will curse my lineage should I indulge in this work. The joke is on God, I don't have any kids, and I'm already going to Hell. :2razz:
 
Lutherf said:
Heck, it was a career choice for a lot of people.
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It was definitely a career choice in the American colonies. Many people indentured themselves to earn passage to the new world.
 
If slavery was a career choice in biblical times, then how come peeka chaka no wookiee boonawa tweepie Solo? Ho ho hoooo.

images


Christians: 0
Atheists: 0
Jabba: 1
 
Amadeus said:
No problem. It's hard to see, but God is saying that certain artwork is off limits, and he will curse my lineage should I indulge in this work. The joke is on God, I don't have any kids, and I'm already going to Hell. :2razz:
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Maybe I'm wrong, but my impression of that passage is that it is saying God is not anything that can be represented adequately in a form which humans can create. It says to me that God is much bigger than what we can conceive, and that to try and reproduce it or represent it is impossible in human imagination. Iow, it's everything, and it is inconceivable to adequately express.
 
Amadeus said:
No problem. It's hard to see, but God is saying that certain artwork is off limits, and he will curse my lineage should I indulge in this work. The joke is on God, I don't have any kids, and I'm already going to Hell. :2razz:
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Well....this is just the worst.
Graven images AND mocking God.
Hell for you, alright.
But, at least, as you burn for all eternity with the prince of darkness, you'll have interesting company.
Ask Hitler what was up with that premature double cross of Stalin.
 
calamity said:
I stumbled onto this one the other day.
Exodus 21:2-6 - Hebrew Servants -



Now, I admit that I am not the best at deciphering God's Word, but it does seem to me that He is laying down the rules for owning other humans here, including how to push out an old slave...er, servant, while keeping his offspring. However, I guess, the servant can ask to stay as long as he allows himself to be mutilated. No such clause for letting the servant take his wife and kids with him...unless he came with wife and kids, it seems.
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Yup.

Problem?

In the grand scheme of things, slavory isn't a big deal. Look at that passage, its basicaly contract labor. It's how you treat your slave, not if you have a slave.
 
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