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The reason for the mockery of Christians in the political atmosphere.

I’m guessing that when you say that Islam doesn’t attempt to influence public policy that you mean to qualify with “in the United States” and that you’re further excluding attacks by foreigners on American soil—that you mean those of the Muslim faith here in the U.S. You surely don’t think that Sharia law is silly; you mean that bigots are lying because they hate and fear and that there is no reason for any concern—right?

Sad to read that “Christianity tried to bleed into law and culture in insidious ways….” Here is an article that argues that Judeo-Christian values were foundational at our nation’s beginning: Articles: The Judeo-Christian Values of America

But what I’d really like to know is where all these pushy Christians are who are trying to cram their religions down your throat? I have an ordinary job and shop in ordinary stores, and except for extraordinary “The end is near” characters you may chance upon every so often on the street, this doesn’t happen to me. Just the occasional Jehovah’s Witnesses at the door every ten years or so. And so? I just don’t experience anybody even talking about religion in the workplace or the grocery store.

So are you talking about family members who are slinging Scripture or obnoxious neighbors or who? Where is this taking place? Are you being continually “witnessed” to or what?

This thread seems to be dealing with the United States so yes...that is what I refer to. The Christian attempts at influencing law can be seen in the many Moral pushes against abortion, gay marriage....etc...that are an infringement on the rights of anyone Non-Christian who lives in this country.

Just look at Santorum to see what I mean.
 
I never said you have done anything to anyone, I said christians as a whole have.
I agree
The only reason I commented in the first place was to correct post #21 where you claimed that the long list of similarities between christians and shariah law muslims started in the McCarthy era.
That was quoted from paxeaon I never discuss Islam more than mentioning it being a religion. I simply don't know enough about it to have an opinion. That list was originally posted in post #20 by another poster who I responded to. I apologize.
Christianity has been that way since its inception.
 
This thread seems to be dealing with the United States so yes...that is what I refer to. The Christian attempts at influencing law can be seen in the many Moral pushes against abortion, gay marriage....etc...that are an infringement on the rights of anyone Non-Christian who lives in this country.

Just look at Santorum to see what I mean.

Being opposed to elective abortion or same-sex marriage is an infringement on the rights of non-Christian Americans? What?
 
Being opposed to elective abortion or same-sex marriage is an infringement on the rights of non-Christian Americans? What?

Okay....let me spell it out.

The abortion clinic restrictions, opposition to fairness doctrine, fights against contraception, abstinence pushes, sodomy laws.....etc....are all based on Christian doctrine and belief being pushed onto society, often through laws meant to widdle down the things they do not care for. By doing so, those forwarding such things are attempting to impose their own opinions onto everyone....regardless of whether they agree or not.
 
I saw a post by a member that was complaining about how there is a double standard when it comes to mocking Christians. I notice this too. It's okay to take pot shots at Christianity and people don't think anything of it. Some even do so at religion in general but never specifically Judaism or Islam.

So I got to thinking why that is. I thought about what is different between Islamic people and Christians in the Unitedstates. I have heard the theory that out somebody mocks Islam it sends the Islamic world into rage fits. I simply don't buy that, plus it gives Christians the incentive to me militant.

It dawned on me. Christians in the right wing have turned their religion into a political party. They defend teaching creation in schools because of their religion, politicians onboth sides reference God over and over while delivering speeches. Faith isn't supposed to be a rule it's supposed to be a personal endeavor.

Thoughts?

All religions are foolish. But in America, Christianity is interjected into politics the most and people keep trying to make us follow the rules of their gods. All religions will do this if they are the predominate religion of the area. And in America, that's Christianity.
 
I think my sig would be appropriate.

People hate the message of Christ, they hate what some Christians stand for politically and as such it translates to mocking, discrimination and hatred/bigotry against Christians in political and social atmospheres.
 
Okay....let me spell it out.

The abortion clinic restrictions, opposition to fairness doctrine, fights against contraception, abstinence pushes, sodomy laws.....etc....are all based on Christian doctrine and belief being pushed onto society, often through laws meant to widdle down the things they do not care for. By doing so, those forwarding such things are attempting to impose their own opinions onto everyone....regardless of whether they agree or not.

This fails to account for all the secularists who oppose elective abortion and/or SSM.
 
I think my sig would be appropriate.

People hate the message of Christ, they hate what some Christians stand for politically and as such it translates to mocking, discrimination and hatred/bigotry against Christians in political and social atmospheres.

It's fashionable. But please be excruciatingly careful not to offend others. ;)
 
This fails to account for all the secularists who oppose elective abortion and/or SSM.

No it does not, as those pushing said legislation are generally quite clear they do so for religious reasons. It is also obvious where the underlying moral and ethical stance originates.

I personally do not agree with the Idea of abortion...but would not try to impose my stance on someone else.
 
I think Jimmie Carr once said something similar to: "If I mock the Christians what will they do? Meh, they will forgive me. If I mock Muslims my show may have an explosive grand finale!"
 
I think that's changing.

I think it's ok to take pot shots at Christians, problem is when the People taking pot shots have to actually sit Down and discuss With christians that know what they're talking about, they fall flat.

That's why for example Richard Dawkins shuts the hell up when it ends up in a debate With a christian that knows his stuff.

The difference is in the US Islam is a minority and generally powerless, Christianity on the other hand is the majority and most of American polititians are christians.

You wish.
 
I don't believe it has anything to do with anyone consciously choosing to not mock or ridicule other religions. It simply is a case of what religion is effecting my life more. In america it's not the Muslims, the pagans, the jews, or the hindus that are trying to inject their religion in law it's the Christians. Such activity is obviously going to be met with strong resistance and animosity. Especially when the said religion treats certain citizens as second class and robs them of their rights for unscientific and arbitrary reasons.
 
I think my sig would be appropriate.

People hate the message of Christ, they hate what some Christians stand for politically and as such it translates to mocking, discrimination and hatred/bigotry against Christians in political and social atmospheres.

Or they just don't want to be subjected to the rules of your god.
 
I don't believe it has anything to do with anyone consciously choosing to not mock or ridicule other religions. It simply is a case of what religion is effecting my life more. In america it's not the Muslims, the pagans, the jews, or the hindus that are trying to inject their religion in law it's the Christians. Such activity is obviously going to be met with strong resistance and animosity. Especially when the said religion treats certain citizens as second class and robs them of their rights for unscientific and arbitrary reasons.

I think that's part of it.

I also think it has a lot to do with the blatant hypocrisy manifested in many nominal Christians.

I know more than a handful of "Christians" who drink, smoke, swear, cheat, lie, womanize, are slothful... the list can go on and on.

But they're the first ones to circulate some Facebook religio-political nonsense about how they "stand against Satan" when it comes to gay marriage.

I completely understand that not all Christians are wholly hypocritical and that not all Christians consider homosexuality sinful nor oppose gay marriage.

But it seems like the ones who are the most hypocritical and ignorant are also the most vocal.

I think that in that respect Christianity in general gets painted with a broad brush, the same way Islam gets painted with a broad brush as a result of some tiny percentage of the whole being radical Islamist.
 
I saw a post by a member that was complaining about how there is a double standard when it comes to mocking Christians. I notice this too. It's okay to take pot shots at Christianity and people don't think anything of it. Some even do so at religion in general but never specifically Judaism or Islam.

So I got to thinking why that is. I thought about what is different between Islamic people and Christians in the Unitedstates. I have heard the theory that out somebody mocks Islam it sends the Islamic world into rage fits. I simply don't buy that, plus it gives Christians the incentive to me militant.

It dawned on me. Christians in the right wing have turned their religion into a political party. They defend teaching creation in schools because of their religion, politicians onboth sides reference God over and over while delivering speeches. Faith isn't supposed to be a rule it's supposed to be a personal endeavor.

Thoughts?

Blaming the right? When it's the radical left wing (including pseudo-Christians) who are turning American into a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah?
 
In america it's not the Muslims, the pagans, the jews, or the hindus that are trying to inject their religion in law it's the Christians. Such activity is obviously going to be met with strong resistance and animosity. Especially when the said religion treats certain citizens as second class and robs them of their rights for unscientific and arbitrary reasons.

Really! Which right have you been robbed of, and by which Christians?

Are you an American citizen or an alien?
 
Really! Which right have you been robbed of, and by which Christians?

Are you an American citizen or an alien?

The right to marriage. Which in turns deny Gay couples of all these rights that are enjoyed by Straight couples -

Death: If a couple is not married and one partner dies, the other partner is not entitled to bereavement leave from work, to file wrongful death claims, to draw the Social Security of the deceased partner, or to automatically inherit a shared home, assets, or personal items in the absence of a will.

Family leave: Unmarried couples are often not covered by laws and policies that permit people to take medical leave to care for a sick spouse or for the kids.

Health: Unlike spouses, unmarried partners are usually not considered next of kin for the purposes of hospital visitation and emergency medical decisions. In addition, they can't cover their families on their health plans without paying taxes on the coverage, nor are they eligible for Medicare and Medicaid coverage.

Housing: Denied marriage, couples of lesser means are not recognized and thus can be denied or disfavored in their applications for public housing.

Immigration: U.S. residency and family unification are not available to an unmarried partner from another country.

Inheritance: Unmarried surviving partners do not automatically inherit property should their loved one die without a will, nor do they get legal protection for inheritance rights such as elective share or bypassing the hassles and expenses of probate court.

Insurance: Unmarried partners can't always sign up for joint home and auto insurance. In addition, many employers don't cover domestic partners or their biological or non-biological children in their health insurance plans.

Portability: Unlike marriages, which are honored in all states and countries, domestic partnerships and other alternative mechanisms only exist in a few states and countries, are not given any legal acknowledgment in most, and leave families without the clarity and security of knowing what their legal status and rights will be.

Parenting: Unmarried couples are denied the automatic right to joint parenting, joint adoption, joint foster care, and visitation for non-biological parents. In addition, the children of unmarried couples are denied the guarantee of child support and an automatic legal relationship to both parents, and are sometimes sent a wrongheaded but real negative message about their own status and family.

Privilege: Unmarried couples are not protected against having to testify against each other in judicial proceedings, and are also usually denied the coverage in crime victims counseling and protection programs afforded married couples.

Property
Unmarried couples are excluded from special rules that permit married couples to buy and own property together under favorable terms, rules that protect married couples in their shared homes and rules regarding the distribution of the property in the event of death or divorce.

Retirement: In addition to being denied access to shared or spousal benefits through Social Security as well as coverage under Medicare and other programs, unmarried couples are denied withdrawal rights and protective tax treatment given to spouses with regard to IRA's and other retirement plans.

Taxes: Unmarried couples cannot file joint tax returns and are excluded from tax benefits and claims specific to marriage. In addition, they are denied the right to transfer property to one another and pool the family's resources without adverse tax consequences.
 
Blaming the right? When it's the radical left wing (including pseudo-Christians) who are turning American into a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah?
Lol the two directions are equally guilty. For it, and today is by no means Sodom or Gomorrah.

Bit over the top with the hyperbole there Mr Jesus. Tone down the political grandstanding, that's why people are mocking our religion.
 
I think my sig would be appropriate.

People hate the message of Christ, they hate what some Christians stand for politically and as such it translates to mocking, discrimination and hatred/bigotry against Christians in political and social atmospheres.
Nobody really hates the message of Christ. I think many people hate when political hacks can't defend their position with any more than, "God says so" and it basically turns God into a political slogan and dethrones him.

Oh brother :roll: Get off your cross quit playing victim. Nobody hates you. It's as bad as people playing the race card.

Nobody likes me, everybody hates me,
Guess I'll go eat worms,
Long, thin, slimy ones; Short, fat, juicy ones,
Itsy, bitsy, fuzzy wuzzy worms.


Next time you want to cry about how nobody loves you, bon appetité
Worms.JPG
 
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Being opposed to elective abortion or same-sex marriage is an infringement on the rights of non-Christian Americans? What?
Being opposed is not, making laws to dictate spacific brands of Christian morality is.

You can oppose it even if it's legal.
 
I think that's changing.

I think it's ok to take pot shots at Christians, problem is when the People taking pot shots have to actually sit Down and discuss With christians that know what they're talking about, they fall flat.

That's why for example Richard Dawkins shuts the hell up when it ends up in a debate With a christian that knows his stuff.

The difference is in the US Islam is a minority and generally powerless, Christianity on the other hand is the majority and most of American polititians are christians.

Have you ever once in your life seen Dawkins speak? He is not the type who shuts up or yields intellectual superiority when debating with theists. What usually happens is the theist in the debate will simply end it by saying "It's my faith and that's the way it is". That's not really a victory for the theist.

 
Have you ever once in your life seen Dawkins speak? He is not the type who shuts up or yields intellectual superiority when debating with theists. What usually happens is the theist in the debate will simply end it by saying "It's my faith and that's the way it is". That's not really a victory for the theist.



I'm talking about when he debates theists that are actual theologians, or philosophers, not your average priest or whatever.
 
The right to marriage. Which in turns deny Gay couples of all these rights that are enjoyed by Straight couples -

Death: If a couple is not married and one partner dies, the other partner is not entitled to bereavement leave from work, to file wrongful death claims, to draw the Social Security of the deceased partner, or to automatically inherit a shared home, assets, or personal items in the absence of a will.

Family leave: Unmarried couples are often not covered by laws and policies that permit people to take medical leave to care for a sick spouse or for the kids.

Health: Unlike spouses, unmarried partners are usually not considered next of kin for the purposes of hospital visitation and emergency medical decisions. In addition, they can't cover their families on their health plans without paying taxes on the coverage, nor are they eligible for Medicare and Medicaid coverage.

Housing: Denied marriage, couples of lesser means are not recognized and thus can be denied or disfavored in their applications for public housing.

Immigration: U.S. residency and family unification are not available to an unmarried partner from another country.

Inheritance: Unmarried surviving partners do not automatically inherit property should their loved one die without a will, nor do they get legal protection for inheritance rights such as elective share or bypassing the hassles and expenses of probate court.

Insurance: Unmarried partners can't always sign up for joint home and auto insurance. In addition, many employers don't cover domestic partners or their biological or non-biological children in their health insurance plans.

Portability: Unlike marriages, which are honored in all states and countries, domestic partnerships and other alternative mechanisms only exist in a few states and countries, are not given any legal acknowledgment in most, and leave families without the clarity and security of knowing what their legal status and rights will be.

Parenting: Unmarried couples are denied the automatic right to joint parenting, joint adoption, joint foster care, and visitation for non-biological parents. In addition, the children of unmarried couples are denied the guarantee of child support and an automatic legal relationship to both parents, and are sometimes sent a wrongheaded but real negative message about their own status and family.

Privilege: Unmarried couples are not protected against having to testify against each other in judicial proceedings, and are also usually denied the coverage in crime victims counseling and protection programs afforded married couples.

Property
Unmarried couples are excluded from special rules that permit married couples to buy and own property together under favorable terms, rules that protect married couples in their shared homes and rules regarding the distribution of the property in the event of death or divorce.

Retirement: In addition to being denied access to shared or spousal benefits through Social Security as well as coverage under Medicare and other programs, unmarried couples are denied withdrawal rights and protective tax treatment given to spouses with regard to IRA's and other retirement plans.

Taxes: Unmarried couples cannot file joint tax returns and are excluded from tax benefits and claims specific to marriage. In addition, they are denied the right to transfer property to one another and pool the family's resources without adverse tax consequences.

I don't think gays should be allowed to marry. It's an abomination and like other sins can bring God's disfavor on men and nations.
 
I don't think gays should be allowed to marry. It's an abomination and like other sins can bring God's disfavor on men and nations.

So is Usury and Abomination, should we get rid of wallstreet? (I'm down).
 
I don't think gays should be allowed to marry. It's an abomination and like other sins can bring God's disfavor on men and nations.

I don't care what you think. I answered your question now run along bigot.
 
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