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Think about that for a brief moment. NOTHING SHOULD EXIST. Everything, came from nothing.

That, imho, is the most mind blowing, most anti-science reality of everything. It should NOT BE.

It's honestly, irreconcilable with all known science. From the lowliest quark to massive galactic clusters, none of it should be. Reality shouldn't be. Nothingness should have been.
 
Where is this claim coming from and what does it have to do with science/anti-science?
 
StillBallin75 said:
Where is this claim coming from and what does it have to do with science/anti-science?
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Uhm, were did everything come from? Answer? Nothing. It didn't just happen. That's impossible. It did, but that's aside the point.
 
MrVicchio said:
Uhm, were did everything come from? Answer? Nothing. It didn't just happen. That's impossible. It did, but that's aside the point.
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Everything didn't come from nothing. It came from a lot of energy condensed in a very small point.
and since energy = matter ; when that very condensed point exploded (made a big bang) the universe started expanding.
 
MrVicchio said:
Think about that for a brief moment. NOTHING SHOULD EXIST. Everything, came from nothing.

That, imho, is the most mind blowing, most anti-science reality of everything. It should NOT BE.

It's honestly, irreconcilable with all known science. From the lowliest quark to massive galactic clusters, none of it should be. Reality shouldn't be. Nothingness should have been.
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Quit trying to make my brain implode.
 
MrVicchio said:
Think about that for a brief moment. NOTHING SHOULD EXIST. Everything, came from nothing.

That, imho, is the most mind blowing, most anti-science reality of everything. It should NOT BE.

It's honestly, irreconcilable with all known science. From the lowliest quark to massive galactic clusters, none of it should be. Reality shouldn't be. Nothingness should have been.
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Im assuming this thread comes from the other thread "there is no god".

Where did life come from is one of the most perplexing questions for mankind to answer.

Many have tried but one thing that separates our pursuit of the answer is you've already decided... God.

To me that ignores real truth and by the way science doesn't attempt to say we came from nothing, it just doesn't know, no one does and it's possible no one ever will.

We can theorize the big bang and it seems to be a solid theory but go beyond that... What caused it? And you're back to square one.

Going to classical physics for a moment and for what Isaac newton couldn't explain about gravity, he simply said god stepped in now and then to correct alignment issues... This meant he stopped searching for answers and it would take Eistein to correct that error.

In the same way if you just accept everything came from a god, described in a book written by nomads 3000 years ago and stop searching and exploring, then you miss truth.

This still doesn't preclude the idea of a god... But if you just go "that's the answer" and stop like Newton did, we would never have made the advancements we had today.
 
Rainman05 said:
Everything didn't come from nothing. It came from a lot of energy condensed in a very small point.
and since energy = matter ; when that very condensed point exploded (made a big bang) the universe started expanding.
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Right... so where did that energy come from? :)
 
MrVicchio said:
Think about that for a brief moment. NOTHING SHOULD EXIST. Everything, came from nothing.

That, imho, is the most mind blowing, most anti-science reality of everything. It should NOT BE.

It's honestly, irreconcilable with all known science. From the lowliest quark to massive galactic clusters, none of it should be. Reality shouldn't be. Nothingness should have been.
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Or everything has always existed; it simply changes form/state. The universe is simply an infinite cycle alternating between the big bang, expansion and (eventually) the big shrink which results in the next big bang. ;)
 
Basically, it's the premise that nothing happened to nothing and then matter/energy came about and exploded into everything for no reason.

There is no evidence to say that matter has always existed and there is no proper explanation for how before the universe matter and energy came to be.
 
And yet there are those who are entirely certain that they do know how it all came to be. ;)
 
MrVicchio said:
Think about that for a brief moment. NOTHING SHOULD EXIST. Everything, came from nothing.

That, imho, is the most mind blowing, most anti-science reality of everything. It should NOT BE.

It's honestly, irreconcilable with all known science. From the lowliest quark to massive galactic clusters, none of it should be. Reality shouldn't be. Nothingness should have been.
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euler-identity.png
 
No one has all the answers. Anyone who claims to have the answers is full of ****. There might not even be answers. And if there are they might very well be incomprehensible.

In the meantime, science will carry on as we use our faculties of reason and observation to advance our understanding of the world around us.
 
Goshin said:
Right... so where did that energy come from? :)
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Well whoever can answer that question wins the grand prize. It's easy to answer "god" or some idea of deity, and that may still turn out to be the correct answer in the end but it is a lazy answer. Far more exciting and thought provoking to actually see if we can't find a response which we can understand with our own minds.

But strictly on the idea that something came out of nothing is wrong. That something that everything came out of was a very condensed, probably very small container of energy that exploded and in time stuff formed. Because energy and mass are transmutable according to E = m * c ^ 2. Ofc, it takes a lot of energy to create a bit of mass because c is a very large number, 300.000.000 in modulus or 300.000km/s with what it represents.
 
digsbe said:
Basically, it's the premise that nothing happened to nothing and then matter/energy came about and exploded into everything for no reason.

There is no evidence to say that matter has always existed and there is no proper explanation for how before the universe matter and energy came to be.
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Again, it's not that "nothing happened to nothing". This is a misunderstanding.

That nothing was actually a very condensed form of energy. It was a whole bunch of energy, basically all the energy that is in the entire universe that we know of and beyond, condensed very very tightly, like 100 fatmen in a clown car. and when the car exploded under the pressure of the fatmen, the fatmen spread out over a larger area then they had previously occupied. That form of energy, that very condensed form of energy was both the car and the fatmen and it blew up and spread out over a large area of space. Basically forming space. And forming time. Because it takes time for fatman A to get to a point that is farther as he rolls on and on until further away.
 
sedan said:
euler-identity.png
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IMHO euler's identity is one of those instances where there's something very profound lurking just beyond our comprehension. Like seeing something in your peripheral vision, you know it's there but you can't quite make it out.
 
Rainman05 said:
Well whoever can answer that question wins the grand prize. It's easy to answer "god" or some idea of deity, and that may still turn out to be the correct answer in the end but it is a lazy answer.
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Saying "God did it" is not an answer at all. Saying "God did it" is saying "I don't know what did it".
 
MrVicchio said:
Uhm, were did everything come from? Answer? Nothing. It didn't just happen. That's impossible. It did, but that's aside the point.
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Not knowing doesn't make it anti-science.
 
Rainman05 said:
Again, it's not that "nothing happened to nothing". This is a misunderstanding.

That nothing was actually a very condensed form of energy. It was a whole bunch of energy, basically all the energy that is in the entire universe that we know of and beyond, condensed very very tightly, like 100 fatmen in a clown car. and when the car exploded under the pressure of the fatmen, the fatmen spread out over a larger area then they had previously occupied. That form of energy, that very condensed form of energy was both the car and the fatmen and it blew up and spread out over a large area of space. Basically forming space. And forming time. Because it takes time for fatman A to get to a point that is farther as he rolls on and on until further away.
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Yes, but the other part of my posts discusses where the energy came from. Did it always exist? Was there ever a beginning or did the matter/energy just simply always be? I understand the concept of the big bang, but the issue is where did the matter/energy for the big bang come from. Either it has always existed, it was created or somehow it was born out of nothingness spontaneously (which is implausible).
 
Your Star said:
Not knowing doesn't make it anti-science.
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Get off the anti science kick okay? I implied science has no plausible explination for the existence of matter. I never stated anti science. Talk to the religious bigot who used that line.
 
digsbe said:
Yes, but the other part of my posts discusses where the energy came from. Did it always exist? Was there ever a beginning or did the matter/energy just simply always be? I understand the concept of the big bang, but the issue is where did the matter/energy for the big bang come from. Either it has always existed, it was created or somehow it was born out of nothingness spontaneously (which is implausible).
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In reply #13 just above the one I gave to you, I wrote this:
Well whoever can answer that question wins the grand prize. It's easy to answer "god" or some idea of deity, and that may still turn out to be the correct answer in the end but it is a lazy answer. Far more exciting and thought provoking to actually see if we can't find a response which we can understand with our own minds.
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But I will elaborate on that answer.

Time doesn't exist before the big bang. There was no "before" the big bang. Because space-time goes hand in hand. And the closer and closer you get to something that has a powerful gravity (which whatever that energy form was that caused the big bang has) the more space time simply... breaks apart.

Like a black hole, the most powerful gravitational force we know of. Space time warps around it so much so that it bends light. That's how we found out black holes, they bent the light.
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This video explains it better than I could in words.
 
MrVicchio said:
Think about that for a brief moment. NOTHING SHOULD EXIST. Everything, came from nothing.

That, imho, is the most mind blowing, most anti-science reality of everything. It should NOT BE.

It's honestly, irreconcilable with all known science. From the lowliest quark to massive galactic clusters, none of it should be. Reality shouldn't be. Nothingness should have been.
Click to expand...
digsbe said:
Basically, it's the premise that nothing happened to nothing and then matter/energy came about and exploded into everything for no reason.

There is no evidence to say that matter has always existed and there is no proper explanation for how before the universe matter and energy came to be.
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Yes, because it's far more reasonable and logical to just make up a story about a wish granting bearded sky man than it is to admit we don't know something.
 
Goshin said:
Right... so where did that energy come from? :)
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THAT...is one of the things we are tying to figure out.

The difference I see in this would that science freely admits it does not know a thing, while religion claims it does... regardless of what the thing might be.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes, because it's far more reasonable and logical to just make up a story about a wish granting bearded sky man than it is to admit we don't know something.
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Who did that??
 
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