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Serious Question on Ghosts or Spirits

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By chance I was watching something related to ghosts last night and it struck as some described these ghosts. How is it remotely possible or even thinkable to believe ghosts exist with clothes on?! Some were describing this man ghost seen on streets wearing a red plaid shirt. So are clothes spiritual? Then if we die with $20 dollars in our wallet wearing jewelry do we wander through eternity fully clothed wearing jewelry? Should not all spirits be at least naked??!! I know this sounds sarcastic but I am being serious. I don't recall a single testimony of a sighting describing the spirit as naked. If there is a feasible explanation it has to be something like we travel across some kind of barrier or other dimension at the precise moment of death............with our clothes on.
 
By chance I was watching something related to ghosts last night and it struck as some described these ghosts. How is it remotely possible or even thinkable to believe ghosts exist with clothes on?! Some were describing this man ghost seen on streets wearing a red plaid shirt. So are clothes spiritual? Then if we die with $20 dollars in our wallet wearing jewelry do we wander through eternity fully clothed wearing jewelry? Should not all spirits be at least naked??!! I know this sounds sarcastic but I am being serious. I don't recall a single testimony of a sighting describing the spirit as naked. If there is a feasible explanation it has to be something like we travel across some kind of barrier or other dimension at the precise moment of death............with our clothes on.

Everyone here can call me crazy if they want to, but I believe. Now, do I believe in ghosts? I'm not sure what to call them. But I've experienced things that I can't explain otherwise.

For example, I was at Petersburg VA National Battlefield walking across the main field when I looked down and then back up. When I looked back up there was a small cloud of whispy smoke right in front of me and I walked right through it. It smelled like tobacco smoke from a pipe. I took another step or two, and stopped to turn around to see what in the world I had walked through. When I turned around, there was nothing there.

I was working for the National Parks Service helping them recovery after Hurricane Isabel. That's what I was doing there. A few days later, I was eating lunch with the Park Superintendent and a few other people. One of the guys that works for me (Buddy) asked if any strange things had ever happened to any of the park guys while working there. One of the guys asked what he meant, and Buddy said he thought he smell smoke in the main field one day. I dropped my drink and everyone looked at me. The park guy asked if I had smelled it too. I said yes and that I had also seen the smoke when I walked through it. The park guys all started laughing and the superintendent aid that what we experienced was the "doctor."

Of course, we asked what he meant. He went on to tell us that a Confederate field hospital was located in the area that is now the main field of the park. He said that the story goes, that the "doctor" was a Confederate doctor that was killed while walking outside the hospital tent to have a smoke on his pipe, by a cannon shell and killed him instantly by taking off his head. He said that sometimes people will see him as well. He didn't describe if he was wearing any cloth or if he was naked. All I saw was smoke. Supposedly, the encounters happen at the same time of day, which the story is, is the same time that the "doctor" was killed. All of them had experienced also.

Now, did I encounter the "doctor?" I don't know. But... the park guys told me the exact time I smelled the smoke before I mentioned it, and that was also the same time Buddy said he smelled it. Buddy, by the way, is a 70+ y/o retired engineer. He isn't a person that would make up something. The reason he asked about the pipe smoke smell in the first place was because he wanted to know if there was some explanation for it, like some kind of plant that would make that smell that he had never heard of before. What he and I were told was not what either of us were expecting.

Also, as a combat medic, I have seen other things that I can't explain. For instance, there have been two separate times that I was working on guys in combat that had been hit, and they died; there was nothing I could do for either of them except make them as pain free as possible. Both times, when they died, the atmosphere around us got dark. Not real dark, but darker than it was before. And then almost at the same time, a glow came from them, rose above them, and then disappeared as the darkness faded. I can't explain that at all. It didn't happen except those two times.

The same thing happened in the hospital room when my father-in-law died in the ICU. The doctor and the two nurses said they had never seen anything like that before. The doctor, a friend of the family, was so stunned that I had to tap him on the arm and ask him if he needed to check him to declare him. He said yes, and then walked out of the room without doing anything. Later, his wife came into the room to console my wife. She came over to me before going over to my wife and asked what had happened. I told her that Bill (my father-in-law) had died. She said, and I'll never forget this, "Doug (her husband the doctor) is sitting behind the nurses station staring straight ahead and won't talk to anyone." I then told her what we had seen, or at least thought we had seen. She just looked at me and didn't make any comment. Later that evening when we had gone home, Doug came over to our house to talk about what we had seen. He said that he had heard of this happening from some of his doctor friends, but it had never happened to him. None of us could explain it, and just decided to believe that it was Bill saying goodby.

Anyway, like I said, I don't know what to call it or how to explain it exactly, but, I believe. In what? I don't know exactly.

There's something that happens to the energy and consciousness in our bodies when we die. That I do believe. That's the only way I can explain it.
 
By chance I was watching something related to ghosts last night and it struck as some described these ghosts. How is it remotely possible or even thinkable to believe ghosts exist with clothes on?! Some were describing this man ghost seen on streets wearing a red plaid shirt. So are clothes spiritual? Then if we die with $20 dollars in our wallet wearing jewelry do we wander through eternity fully clothed wearing jewelry? Should not all spirits be at least naked??!! I know this sounds sarcastic but I am being serious. I don't recall a single testimony of a sighting describing the spirit as naked. If there is a feasible explanation it has to be something like we travel across some kind of barrier or other dimension at the precise moment of death............with our clothes on.

I do not think I believe in ghosts per se, spirits are another matter. Travelers from a different dimension, very possible. Perhaps these so called spirits which may want to communicate with us, to tell us something have the ability to show themselves as we who are still alive want to see them or need to see them. Clothes can give us an idea of time and era when so and so died or a reference point into what maybe these things are trying to say.

Who really knows, now a naked ghost of Marilyn Monroe can came visit me at anytime.
 
By chance I was watching something related to ghosts last night and it struck as some described these ghosts. How is it remotely possible or even thinkable to believe ghosts exist with clothes on?! Some were describing this man ghost seen on streets wearing a red plaid shirt. So are clothes spiritual? Then if we die with $20 dollars in our wallet wearing jewelry do we wander through eternity fully clothed wearing jewelry? Should not all spirits be at least naked??!! I know this sounds sarcastic but I am being serious. I don't recall a single testimony of a sighting describing the spirit as naked. If there is a feasible explanation it has to be something like we travel across some kind of barrier or other dimension at the precise moment of death............with our clothes on.

Why should it be naked? For that matter, why should it even have human form? The ones I've seen didn't. They were just a hazy, misty, shapeless kind of hovering apparition. I wouldn't have thought anything of it if my instinctual reaction to that "mist" wasn't so irrationally strong. I don't know what those things were, but my primal instinct told me to fear them. Most of the time I don't even see anything, though. The same irrational, primal fear takes over and I just know there's "something" there and that it's "bad". Most people I talk to who have experienced similar things have also described them as shapeless, opaque, hovering mists. I know some people describe seeing fully clothed, human looking ghosts, but I've never seen one like that. My own grandfather claimed he actually talked to this girl once for over 20 minutes as he walked her home and never realized it was a dead person until the next day. He went to her house looking for her and the people there told her she had died years ago and that he wasn't the first to have "seen" her.
 
I do not think I believe in ghosts per se, spirits are another matter. Travelers from a different dimension, very possible. Perhaps these so called spirits which may want to communicate with us, to tell us something have the ability to show themselves as we who are still alive want to see them or need to see them. Clothes can give us an idea of time and era when so and so died or a reference point into what maybe these things are trying to say.

Who really knows, now a naked ghost of Marilyn Monroe can came visit me at anytime.

tsk..tsk... :lamo:

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:
 
By chance I was watching something related to ghosts last night and it struck as some described these ghosts. How is it remotely possible or even thinkable to believe ghosts exist with clothes on?! Some were describing this man ghost seen on streets wearing a red plaid shirt. So are clothes spiritual? Then if we die with $20 dollars in our wallet wearing jewelry do we wander through eternity fully clothed wearing jewelry? Should not all spirits be at least naked??!! I know this sounds sarcastic but I am being serious. I don't recall a single testimony of a sighting describing the spirit as naked. If there is a feasible explanation it has to be something like we travel across some kind of barrier or other dimension at the precise moment of death............with our clothes on.


If it's an astral projection from our conscious energy, then most of us don't imagine ourselves naked. Those aren't our fleshly bodies either floating around.
 
By chance I was watching something related to ghosts last night and it struck as some described these ghosts. How is it remotely possible or even thinkable to believe ghosts exist with clothes on?! Some were describing this man ghost seen on streets wearing a red plaid shirt. So are clothes spiritual? Then if we die with $20 dollars in our wallet wearing jewelry do we wander through eternity fully clothed wearing jewelry? Should not all spirits be at least naked??!! I know this sounds sarcastic but I am being serious. I don't recall a single testimony of a sighting describing the spirit as naked. If there is a feasible explanation it has to be something like we travel across some kind of barrier or other dimension at the precise moment of death............with our clothes on.

If there's enough of us left to have not only a consciousness but also a form when we die, I'm betting it would either be the way we see ourselves, or the way we really are.

That being the case, if you die with a $20 in your pocket, you'd carry it with you if you see yourself as someone who carries a $20 in their pocket, or perhaps you'd end up with pockets stuffed with money you'll never spend if you're a greedy bastard.
 
Once or twice I have seen shapes outlines. It was when I lived in a house in Marietta, Georgia. It happened in a one week period. I didn't mention it to my wife because I traveled a lot and I knew it would scare the hell out of her. One day during that same period of time she came to me all nervous and shaky and told me she she had seen a ghost in the house a few minutes before. I cancelled a trip and stayed in town for a few days to calm her down. We never saw them again after that. It wasn't just seeing them, there was also a presence. You felt it. Nothing menacing or evil just a presence that I can't put into words.

As for being naked, I never thought about it, but what I saw were outlines of a human walking.

My uncle, who was not given to believing anything like that, was sitting with my aunt in their breakfast room in Atlanta having coffee one morning and as they were looking out the window saw a lady in a gown floating through the bottom of their backyard. As they watched she sudden floated up and disappeared. They were stunned. A minute later the phone rang and the neighbors behind them called to ask if they had by chance just seen a ghost in the back yard.

When my father was transferred to Memphis my mother became a docent at the Fontaine House. I was married and still living in Atlanta by then. My parents really knew next to nothing about Memphis at the time. They toured the Fontaine House and shortly there after my mother began volunteering as a docent. One late afternoon as they were closing the house my mother went upstairs to make certain all visitors had left. She encountered a unique smell and saw a mist in one of the rooms. Wasting no time she bolted back down to the ground floor and told everyone she thought she had just seen a ghost. They all laughed and said, matter of factly, that she had.

I've always believed in such things. I can't remember when I didn't, though I never talked about it much to anyone, even family. When you are young you learn rather quickly such subjects are unwelcome and are often dismissed.

After my mother died about a month later I distinctly saw her in a crowded grocery store in Norfolk, Virginia. It was her, she was smiling directly at me at a distance of maybe ten yards. I felt great peace and comfort seeing her and then she was gone. Again, I didn't mention it to anyone. A year later talking to my youngest brother in Memphis he said that he had seen mom not long after she died. We determined it was about the same time I had seen her. For the record, thank god my mother was not naked. LOL! She had on a coat and maybe a scarf if I remember correctly.

Ghosts are entities in the spirit world. The laws/conditions of spirit world are obviously not the same as the ones we have in the material world. I have read a bit about the subject over the years. It seems to me that spirits can and do project the physical appearance they feel at the time. In addition, their appearance is - as I understand it - also dependent on the intensity of spirit vibration. A spirits in the material world (great song by The Police) we have a different level of vibration. What we see may then depend on the ghost's ability to project into the material world. Not that ghosts are necessarily trying to project.

Finally, it may be that some people here in the material world are more attuned to spirit manifestation and at different times. All of us, I think, have the ability, some more than others.
 
By chance I was watching something related to ghosts last night and it struck as some described these ghosts. How is it remotely possible or even thinkable to believe ghosts exist with clothes on?! Some were describing this man ghost seen on streets wearing a red plaid shirt. So are clothes spiritual? Then if we die with $20 dollars in our wallet wearing jewelry do we wander through eternity fully clothed wearing jewelry? Should not all spirits be at least naked??!! I know this sounds sarcastic but I am being serious. I don't recall a single testimony of a sighting describing the spirit as naked. If there is a feasible explanation it has to be something like we travel across some kind of barrier or other dimension at the precise moment of death............with our clothes on.



Residual self image perhaps... :)

 
Everyone here can call me crazy if they want to, but I believe. Now, do I believe in ghosts? I'm not sure what to call them. But I've experienced things that I can't explain otherwise.

For example, I was at Petersburg VA National Battlefield walking across the main field when I looked down and then back up. When I looked back up there was a small cloud of whispy smoke right in front of me and I walked right through it. It smelled like tobacco smoke from a pipe. I took another step or two, and stopped to turn around to see what in the world I had walked through. When I turned around, there was nothing there.

I was working for the National Parks Service helping them recovery after Hurricane Isabel. That's what I was doing there. A few days later, I was eating lunch with the Park Superintendent and a few other people. One of the guys that works for me (Buddy) asked if any strange things had ever happened to any of the park guys while working there. One of the guys asked what he meant, and Buddy said he thought he smell smoke in the main field one day. I dropped my drink and everyone looked at me. The park guy asked if I had smelled it too. I said yes and that I had also seen the smoke when I walked through it. The park guys all started laughing and the superintendent aid that what we experienced was the "doctor."

Of course, we asked what he meant. He went on to tell us that a Confederate field hospital was located in the area that is now the main field of the park. He said that the story goes, that the "doctor" was a Confederate doctor that was killed while walking outside the hospital tent to have a smoke on his pipe, by a cannon shell and killed him instantly by taking off his head. He said that sometimes people will see him as well. He didn't describe if he was wearing any cloth or if he was naked. All I saw was smoke. Supposedly, the encounters happen at the same time of day, which the story is, is the same time that the "doctor" was killed. All of them had experienced also.

Now, did I encounter the "doctor?" I don't know. But... the park guys told me the exact time I smelled the smoke before I mentioned it, and that was also the same time Buddy said he smelled it. Buddy, by the way, is a 70+ y/o retired engineer. He isn't a person that would make up something. The reason he asked about the pipe smoke smell in the first place was because he wanted to know if there was some explanation for it, like some kind of plant that would make that smell that he had never heard of before. What he and I were told was not what either of us were expecting.

Also, as a combat medic, I have seen other things that I can't explain. For instance, there have been two separate times that I was working on guys in combat that had been hit, and they died; there was nothing I could do for either of them except make them as pain free as possible. Both times, when they died, the atmosphere around us got dark. Not real dark, but darker than it was before. And then almost at the same time, a glow came from them, rose above them, and then disappeared as the darkness faded. I can't explain that at all. It didn't happen except those two times.

The same thing happened in the hospital room when my father-in-law died in the ICU. The doctor and the two nurses said they had never seen anything like that before. The doctor, a friend of the family, was so stunned that I had to tap him on the arm and ask him if he needed to check him to declare him. He said yes, and then walked out of the room without doing anything. Later, his wife came into the room to console my wife. She came over to me before going over to my wife and asked what had happened. I told her that Bill (my father-in-law) had died. She said, and I'll never forget this, "Doug (her husband the doctor) is sitting behind the nurses station staring straight ahead and won't talk to anyone." I then told her what we had seen, or at least thought we had seen. She just looked at me and didn't make any comment. Later that evening when we had gone home, Doug came over to our house to talk about what we had seen. He said that he had heard of this happening from some of his doctor friends, but it had never happened to him. None of us could explain it, and just decided to believe that it was Bill saying goodby.

Anyway, like I said, I don't know what to call it or how to explain it exactly, but, I believe. In what? I don't know exactly.

There's something that happens to the energy and consciousness in our bodies when we die. That I do believe. That's the only way I can explain it.

Soynds like you are "sensitive". Some people percieve things like this more than others. And that sensitivity can "leak" over to those less so.

IMO, repetitious events, like the "doctor" aren't actually "entities". More like stains on local reality. Like a video loop.

Which would explain things like clothing on apparitions.

Entities interact with observers, apparitions do not.
 
Like I'm supposed to believe that? :lamo:

Alright, you know what they say......humor keeps the heart young..........I wonder if it works with other parts of the anatomy.....but I am not going to go there.
 
Residual self image perhaps... :)



Yep - that's one of my beliefs. People aren't actually seeing something that's really there. It's a 'projection' or a 'memory'

Either that, or you're bound to what you're in when you die - and this is the theory I applied when I started writing one of my books. (Fictional adventure of sorts)
 
To take this a step further how many soldiers have gone to their deaths in full battle gear. That may get heavy after a couple thousand years. As for the ghost of Marilyn Monroe since you cannot touch or "feel " ghosts it is God's way of punishing men for being ourselves. :damn
 
To take this a step further how many soldiers have gone to their deaths in full battle gear. That may get heavy after a couple thousand years. As for the ghost of Marilyn Monroe since you cannot touch or "feel " ghosts it is God's way of punishing men for being ourselves. :damn

I never put ghosts and clothes together before. Soldiers in full battle gear, perhaps that is the way they want the living to see them. Who knows. I have heard ghosts/spirits arise or stay here, sort of existing on a plain that is half here and half where ever they are going trying to get a message to us, trying to tell us something, to overcome something, to ensure something is made right or someone is looked after. Revenge is another motive. But how a ghost or spirits wants us to see them is entirely up to them. They may be providing a point of reference.

A soldier in full battle gear or a lady dressed in the garb of the 17th century tells those who sees them much more than just a naked man or woman could ever tell us. It probably helps the ghost/spirit in their attempt to let us know what they want to pass on or correct. Then again perhaps ghosts/spirits are just travelers existing in a nether world that got lost and are attempting to have someone point them in the right direction. Who really knows? But there are so many unknowns and unexplainables in this world that one should just take it as that. Something that can't be explained and move on. Perhaps one of us may be able to give them a helping hand, then again maybe not.

For all the skeptics, all I have to say is one can't find the truth about anything if they search for the truth with a closed mind already made up that none of this exists. That in a way they are saying the unknown and unexplainable doesn't exist.
 
Should not all spirits be at least naked??!!
The only time I can think of would be if you were on a haunted nude beach, the ghosts would all be naked. But you'd still get the odd shy ghost.
 
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