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A Bot Is Caught Standing Ove The Bed Of This Man's Daughter.....

maquiscat said:
That is so easy to say from a position of calm and hindsight. But perception plays a large part in this type of interaction. Here is a dad suddenly confronted with a strange male in his daughter's bedroom at 2 AM. The probability of that person being there to harm his daughter is high. Added that the daughter said the male was unknown to her, you have a situation that on the surface looks very dangerous. I very much doubt that there was much time to sort out what was happening before the kid made his fatal move. What is deplorable here is that you and others seem to think that gun owners are trigger happy individuals who look for excuse to off someone. That is the impression you are presenting, whether you intend to or not.
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Sorry if the dad burst in and shot the guy you may have a point but he obviously didnt think the danger was so immediate as he felt he had time to ask his daughter if she knew him. So yeah he had time and decided to kill rather than detain. The only witnesses of this sudden move are the father (guy who did the shooting) and daughter who just lost her boyfriend and risks losing her father as well.

See some of the posts and yes there are some trigger happy yahoos who really are looking for an excuse to off someone. What is deplorable here is that some people think deadly force is an ok reaction to non life threatenign situations.
 
Jerry said:
You left out the part where the father calls 911, and you left out the part where the father and the bot get into an argument which is recorded on the 911 call, and you left out the part where the bot suddenly reaches for something, and that's what prompted the father to shoot.
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Really? I hadn't found an article that noted the 911 call recording the argument and the shooting, and it's not been brought up on the thread before this. Do you have a link that shows that is what happened?

Quag said:
Sorry if the dad burst in and shot the guy you may have a point but he obviously didnt think the danger was so immediate as he felt he had time to ask his daughter if she knew him. So yeah he had time and decided to kill rather than detain. The only witnesses of this sudden move are the father (guy who did the shooting) and daughter who just lost her boyfriend and risks losing her father as well.

See some of the posts and yes there are some trigger happy yahoos who really are looking for an excuse to off someone. What is deplorable here is that some people think deadly force is an ok reaction to non life threatenign situations.
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Again you are playing with hindsight. We can all see in hindsight that the kid didn't have weapon, but at that moment, as far as the father knew, while the boy had not been visibly wielding a weapon, that did not mean he didn't have one concealed. I'm not denying that there are indeed trigger happy yahoos. My issue is that pretty much regardless of the circumstances, the gun wielder is automatically labeled a trigger happy yahoo.
 
maquiscat said:
Really? I hadn't found an article that noted the 911 call recording the argument and the shooting, and it's not been brought up on the thread before this. Do you have a link that shows that is what happened?



Again you are playing with hindsight. We can all see in hindsight that the kid didn't have weapon, but at that moment, as far as the father knew, while the boy had not been visibly wielding a weapon, that did not mean he didn't have one concealed. I'm not denying that there are indeed trigger happy yahoos. My issue is that pretty much regardless of the circumstances, the gun wielder is automatically labeled a trigger happy yahoo.
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In these circumstances I think the father went overboard with an irrevocable lethality. I do agree there are circumstances where deadly force can be justified. This does not appear to be one to me.
 
Quag said:
Sorry if the dad burst in and shot the guy you may have a point but he obviously didnt think the danger was so immediate as he felt he had time to ask his daughter if she knew him. So yeah he had time and decided to kill rather than detain. The only witnesses of this sudden move are the father (guy who did the shooting) and daughter who just lost her boyfriend and risks losing her father as well.

See some of the posts and yes there are some trigger happy yahoos who really are looking for an excuse to off someone. What is deplorable here is that some people think deadly force is an ok reaction to non life threatenign situations.
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Try sneaking in to my house and go in to my daughters bedroom and you will learn just how a real YAHOO reacts.
 
Quag said:
If you think the situation is enough under control to ask your daughter if she knows the guy then you shoot him you are committing murder. You might get off in court in a few states with a really good lawyer but chances are you will be spending a lot of time with your new best friend Bubba, and deservedly so.
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You don't know the laws in our states. You take one step in to someone else's house unannounced and the owner in 99% of the cases even in liberal states like on the east coast will walk. Add to that being in the same room as the homeowners children, you are dead and the homeowner dances on your grave.
 
Quag said:
In these circumstances I think the father went overboard with an irrevocable lethality. I do agree there are circumstances where deadly force can be justified. This does not appear to be one to me.
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What is missing from this, is some of the data.
The Father is confined to a wheelchair, and crawled to the daughters room, confronting the young man from the floor.
After the shooting the Father was so distraught, he was taken to the hospital.
The Harris County DA did not refer any charges to the grand Jury,
and the grand jury did find any on it own, so the Father was no billed.
 
Quag said:
Yeah shoot first ask questions later.
Kill em all and let god sort it out.
Obviously I value human life more than you do.
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He values his families and his lives more than you do.
 
Quag said:
See some of the posts and yes there are some trigger happy yahoos who really are looking for an excuse to off someone.
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And as long as they wait until they're given an excuse as good as this one, that's perfectly acceptable.

Quag said:
What is deplorable here is that some people think deadly force is an ok reaction to non life threatenign situations.
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A strange person in your house at 0200 is a life-threatening situation. You don't know whey they're there, and you don't know what they're carrying.

Both young adults made very stupid mistakes in this story; the man who pulled the trigger is the only one who acted correctly.

I hope you're never forced to confront how stupid your attitude to self-defense is.
 
rhinefire said:
This I am told actually happened..
A young teenage girl called her boyfriend and asks him to come over and sneak through her bedroom window. He does but her young brother hears the disturbance and runs in to the fathers bedroom and tells him someone is breaking in. The father grabs a gun and enters in to her bedroom concerned for her safety. He opens the door and sees the young guy standing directly over her lying in bed. The father asks, Do you know this guy"? She says, "No". The father then shoots and kills the young man. Question: Who if anyone, is guilty of what?
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Why, the gun of course!
 
Quag said:
You don't need to kill someone to protect your family.
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Actually sometimes you do.

Obviously I value human life more than you do
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:shrug: perhaps. I myself value my family's life more than a violent criminals', and if they choose to put me into a situation to make that choice, they lose.
 
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