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What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ?
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
In that situation one must realize that you have two options.....
1. Keep quiet. Get rid of or hide the remains and forget that they were ever unearthed.
2. Become the center of the newest Religious arguement that will go on for the rest of your life, and the rest of your family's lives, for generations to come. There are individuals who will attack you verbally, physically, and emotionally for the rest of your life. Many will NEVER believe, regardless of what evidence you provide. You will never have another private moment in your life. You will never be able to go out in public again without being hassled, harassed, and followed. Your life will cease to be your own.
Considering those two options, I'd take Option #1..... dispose of the remains in a humane and reasonable manner, with appropriate respect for a dead body and forget that I'd ever found it. In the long run, the Fame would not be worth the Infamy.
In that situation one must realize that you have two options.....
1. Keep quiet. Get rid of or hide the remains and forget that they were ever unearthed.
2. Become the center of the newest Religious arguement that will go on for the rest of your life, and the rest of your family's lives, for generations to come. There are individuals who will attack you verbally, physically, and emotionally for the rest of your life. Many will NEVER believe, regardless of what evidence you provide. You will never have another private moment in your life. You will never be able to go out in public again without being hassled, harassed, and followed. Your life will cease to be your own.
Considering those two options, I'd take Option #1..... dispose of the remains in a humane and reasonable manner, with appropriate respect for a dead body and forget that I'd ever found it. In the long run, the Fame would not be worth the Infamy.
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
How could we possibly discover the remains of Christ?
How could we possibly discover the remains of Christ?
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
How would you know it was Christ?
How would you know it was Christ?
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
Analyze the remains for comparisons with the real Jesus Christ remains to see whether they hold. Wait! There is no Jesus Christ to compare it to!
This is circular
Analyze the remains for comparisons with the real Jesus Christ remains to see whether they hold. Wait! There is no Jesus Christ to compare it to!
This is circular
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
Ummmmmmmmmmm, how would they know? :lol:
Ummmmmmmmmmm, how would they know? :lol:
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
Not care.......
I dont see how it would have any significants whatsoever.
Religious people will keep being religious, and atheists like me will stay atheists.
Not care.......
I dont see how it would have any significants whatsoever.
Religious people will keep being religious, and atheists like me will stay atheists.
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
Since most people wouldn't even believe me, I'd just re-bury the remains. I'm not interested in fifteen minutes of that kind of fame.
Since most people wouldn't even believe me, I'd just re-bury the remains. I'm not interested in fifteen minutes of that kind of fame.
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The significance, as I see it, is not in whether it would change anyone's mind, but about the reaction of those with the unchanged minds. If "Professor John X" can provide documentable historical evidence that the remains he has unearthed are those of an early 1st Century Jewish prophet who was crucified under circumstances similar to those discussed in the Bible and the documentation points to that individual being similar to the "Jesus" character; that individual will have likely earned the enmity of a large portion of the members of the Christian Faith for all time. In all likelyhood, it will make that individual a serious target for social, religious, and personal retribution on a level we haven't seen in a very long time. It would likely make Salman Rushdie's experiences look like a trip to Disneyland.
The significance, as I see it, is not in whether it would change anyone's mind, but about the reaction of those with the unchanged minds. If "Professor John X" can provide documentable historical evidence that the remains he has unearthed are those of an early 1st Century Jewish prophet who was crucified under circumstances similar to those discussed in the Bible and the documentation points to that individual being similar to the "Jesus" character; that individual will have likely earned the enmity of a large portion of the members of the Christian Faith for all time. In all likelyhood, it will make that individual a serious target for social, religious, and personal retribution on a level we haven't seen in a very long time. It would likely make Salman Rushdie's experiences look like a trip to Disneyland.
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
Exactly. 15 minutes of fame. 15 centuries of Infamy.
Exactly. 15 minutes of fame. 15 centuries of Infamy.
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
I have to assume the scenario is there's a way to prove they are the remains of Christ beyond any doubt. In such a case, I think it would be important to publish the findings, though I would do so through a university by assembling a team of scholars and anthropologists so as to dilute the infamy that Tigger mentioned.
I have to assume the scenario is there's a way to prove they are the remains of Christ beyond any doubt. In such a case, I think it would be important to publish the findings, though I would do so through a university by assembling a team of scholars and anthropologists so as to dilute the infamy that Tigger mentioned.
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See if you could get some of God's DNA. It would be nice to have for breeding.
See if you could get some of God's DNA. It would be nice to have for breeding.
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
All that would do is increase the number of people who the Infamy would affect, not reduce or dilute it. The "righteous indignation" of the religious is an unrelenting storm. The only question is how many people would the rain of hatred fall upon?
All that would do is increase the number of people who the Infamy would affect, not reduce or dilute it. The "righteous indignation" of the religious is an unrelenting storm. The only question is how many people would the rain of hatred fall upon?
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
To me, truth is worth paying any price.
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To me, truth is worth paying any price.
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
That's fine. We all have our own views on how religion and science interact, and how they should interact. Personally, I'm not really interested in pissing off one of the world's largest religions (in all its diverse forms) - Christianity. I don't have nearly enough bullets stocked up to take that risk.
That's fine. We all have our own views on how religion and science interact, and how they should interact. Personally, I'm not really interested in pissing off one of the world's largest religions (in all its diverse forms) - Christianity. I don't have nearly enough bullets stocked up to take that risk.
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I believe this as well. However, I have become disillusioned enough to know that this irrefutable evidence would at best simply turn people to a different religion. It would simply be one less amenable to refutation, probably Islam. What a horrible prospect.
But in the end I would reluctantly do the same as you. If mankind cannot handle reality then we can't handle reality and that is that. If there is to be any hope at all, it lies in giving mankind the opportunity to rise to whatever the current occasion presents.
I believe this as well. However, I have become disillusioned enough to know that this irrefutable evidence would at best simply turn people to a different religion. It would simply be one less amenable to refutation, probably Islam. What a horrible prospect.
But in the end I would reluctantly do the same as you. If mankind cannot handle reality then we can't handle reality and that is that. If there is to be any hope at all, it lies in giving mankind the opportunity to rise to whatever the current occasion presents.
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
EXACTLY!
For my part I'd crush those Jesus bones up and mix them in a smoothie.
If Rhinoceros horn will make you virile imagine what Jesus bones would do.
I'd be walking around with a dick like a Minuteman III missile!
Schwing!
EXACTLY!
For my part I'd crush those Jesus bones up and mix them in a smoothie.
If Rhinoceros horn will make you virile imagine what Jesus bones would do.
I'd be walking around with a dick like a Minuteman III missile!
Schwing!
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
Shouldn't this be in science fiction?
The "remains" of the Christ do not exist and never did.....
If you believe then his body and soul were returned to heaven, so there are no remains.'
If you do not believe that faith or any faith then there was no Christ, just a guy named Jesus, whose remains would be unidentifiable as there is no DNA with with to compare.
Christ is not a name by the way, but a title, as in "savior". He name was Jesus of Nazareth or Jesus son of Joseph.
Shouldn't this be in science fiction?
The "remains" of the Christ do not exist and never did.....
If you believe then his body and soul were returned to heaven, so there are no remains.'
If you do not believe that faith or any faith then there was no Christ, just a guy named Jesus, whose remains would be unidentifiable as there is no DNA with with to compare.
Christ is not a name by the way, but a title, as in "savior". He name was Jesus of Nazareth or Jesus son of Joseph.
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WTH? WHy is jesus's bones in my garden? Honest officer I didnt know. I would keep the bones and charge admission. I mean if people show up for a tortila with jesus's face on it... In fact any old set of bones would do. Nah I would get arrested for grave robbing.
WTH? WHy is jesus's bones in my garden? Honest officer I didnt know. I would keep the bones and charge admission. I mean if people show up for a tortila with jesus's face on it... In fact any old set of bones would do. Nah I would get arrested for grave robbing.
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One thing I've refrained from mentioning so far is this: I understand why some sects of Christianity would be upset about such a finding. Those sects include as a piece of fundamental doctrine the notion that the events in the Bible, and especially the Gospels, report historical events (in roughly the sense conveyed by something like the NIV or King James translations, or something). If Jesus ascended to heaven, he did so bodily (say these sects) and finding his skeleton would prove otherwise.
But with such a discovery, there's no reason one would or should stop being a Christian. The core of Christianity began as essentially mystical, and that's all still there, though very few people seem aware of it these days.
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One thing I've refrained from mentioning so far is this: I understand why some sects of Christianity would be upset about such a finding. Those sects include as a piece of fundamental doctrine the notion that the events in the Bible, and especially the Gospels, report historical events (in roughly the sense conveyed by something like the NIV or King James translations, or something). If Jesus ascended to heaven, he did so bodily (say these sects) and finding his skeleton would prove otherwise.
But with such a discovery, there's no reason one would or should stop being a Christian. The core of Christianity began as essentially mystical, and that's all still there, though very few people seem aware of it these days.
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
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Re: What Actions Should Anyone Take If They Discovered The Skeletal Remains of Christ
The people who believe what you mention are people who want to believe in simplified (aka fundamentalist) doctrine. I doubt that the type of people who like to believe in such extremes that surround fundamentalist thinking would be satisfied by more reasonable forms of Christianity. That type of person will eventually seek elsewhere for their hearts desire to find fertile ground and blossom.
The people who believe what you mention are people who want to believe in simplified (aka fundamentalist) doctrine. I doubt that the type of people who like to believe in such extremes that surround fundamentalist thinking would be satisfied by more reasonable forms of Christianity. That type of person will eventually seek elsewhere for their hearts desire to find fertile ground and blossom.
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Because is just is because if it was not then I would not pose the question. You see, it is not real OK? It did not REALLY happen. It is supposed to stimulate a person to THINK.
Because is just is because if it was not then I would not pose the question. You see, it is not real OK? It did not REALLY happen. It is supposed to stimulate a person to THINK.
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Sure, I agree. Though, I suspect that at least most of those people wouldn't be swayed from their belief by the adduction of any evidence, even the kind under discussion here.
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Sure, I agree. Though, I suspect that at least most of those people wouldn't be swayed from their belief by the adduction of any evidence, even the kind under discussion here.
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It IS fiction.....you see. It is here to stimulate the brain to ask "What if"? Now is it clear to you!?
It IS fiction.....you see. It is here to stimulate the brain to ask "What if"? Now is it clear to you!?