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Could Christ Really be Satan

First of all, God, if you believe in that sort of thing, doesn't get 'angry.' He is eternal, unchanging. He doesn't swing from mood to mood depending upon the circumstances--He creates the circumstances. And as for Satan, he has no power of his own and certainly cannot alter what God has designed. If it were Gods will that His word be put down in the Bible, He would not have allowed Satan to come along and F it all up.




Well if I believed in the bible and in a satan, I would think you had a good point, but I don't......
 
in Islam Jesus Christ is considered the messiah to come. In the Quran Jesus and Mary are spoken of in very high regard. Islam is actually pro Jesus Christ .




Mohammed certainly read the bible and took notes before he wrote the Quran....
 
For someone who believes in God as defined by the Ten Commandments, Christ may simply be a dirty trick played on man by Satan to anger God. Instead of messiah, Christ maybe is Satan.

First, by getting the Christians to pray to Jesus and create all those graven images of him, the Cross, mother Mary and even the manger, Satan succeeds in getting about a billion humans to violate the first---and, assumedly greatest--commandment, tho shall worship no other gods.

As if that's not bad enough...Satan does one better. He makes it such that the idol, Christ, can (apparently with a wave of the magic hand) forgive man of any bad act, including repeated violations of all the other commandments, just as long as they promise to accept him, Jesus (who's probably Satan in disguise) as their one and only savior. After all, who but the arrogant fallen angel would ever say that you can only reach God by going through him?

Isn't that exactly the kind of trick Satan would play on man?

The core beliefs of christianity have always been a problem ever since they were laid down, heck, even early christian sects were divided upon how exactly they could explain that jesus was supposed to be the son of god when god himself decreed that there is only one god- one sect believed that the Old Testament god was an evil god and jesus was the true god while others like the Arianists believed that jesus was not even a man or a god but rather just some sort of robot or vessel to deliver the word of god. Inconsistencies like these actually made it possible for the Muslim religion to flourish since they did away with the confusion and they pretty much stuck to the core belief of "there is only one god and Mohammed is his prophet" and many Jews didnt convert either because of all that. So these questions have been around ever since that religion was created and it wont go away. Its what happens when you create a religion by committee- inconsistency.
 
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God lets Satan trick or otherwise have his way with man. It's man's job to ignore Satan and stay loyal to god. Book of Job simplified.



Ooooo....Satan must be a Halloween trickster....How can one ignore what does not exist?
 
I think it's a legitimate religious question. God said not to worship anyone but Him, not to create graven images. Christ worship is a direct violation, it turns God into a manlike being. Another violation of God's law is the idol of a cross that so many wear and look to when they pray.

It's worth discussing, and Christians ought be able to explain why this obvious violation of God's commandment is godly and not just Satan playing tricks.




If you would forget your obsession with a Satan, you 'would' be making a legitimate point...
 
If you would forget your obsession with a Satan, you 'would' be making a legitimate point...
Juanita, are you being mean to people?

Stop being mean, Juanita. It's mean.
 
Yeah, I agree with you that this is a bait thread. I welcome bait threads.

They provide a great opportunity for us not only to show the level of ignorance among atheist baiters - but also to be able to correct them. For a lot of them being of the same mold - or simply repeating the same ignorant nonsense they unknowingly pluck online - actually I find that usually, one reply fits all! :lol:

But in a forum, they do help provide the floor for us to prove why Christianity is the true religion. We only hope, someday....they'll come to their senses and humbly come to God.



Duh!! What does christianity have to do with coming to God? Christians do not have a clue about God/Source...you already know God, but refuse to recognize that fact....
 
Without you even realizing it, could it be perhaps you are in need of spirituality? But you're manifesting that need in a different way? Just like a child who behaves badly just to get attention?

If you do not believe in God....or in religion....why are you drawn to it? Not only drawn to it, mind you....but you go to such length to try to prove it wrong. Methinks you are doing this in your feeble attempt to bolster your belief, and for self-reassurance: that you are right in believing there is no God.

God must be calling out to you, but you resist. I hope - for your own good - God tackles you as you kick and scream, the same way He did CS Lewis.


“You must picture me alone in that room in Magdalen, night after night, feeling, whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. That which I greatly feared had at last come upon me. In the Trinity Term of 1929 I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all England.

I did not then see what is now the most shining and obvious thing; the Divine humility which will accept a convert even on such terms. The Prodigal Son at least walked home on his own feet. But who can duly adore that Love which will open the high gates to a prodigal who is brought in kicking, struggling, resentful, and darting his eyes in every direction for a chance of escape?

The words “compelle intrare,” compel them to come in, have been so abused be wicked men that we shudder at them; but, properly understood, they plumb the depth of the Divine mercy. The hardness of God is kinder than the softness of men, and His compulsion is our liberation.”

― C.S. Lewis, Surprised by Joy



Why do you believe that you need religion to believe in God/Source?
 
I always found it a silly idea to suggest that there is an all powerful being known as god that can't rid himself of this angel he struck down for trying to take his job. It's like yeah, I can do everything, but this ****ing asshole Satan he keeps ****ing with my stuff. How can the all powerful being that created everything essentially have a bully? lol.



He doesn't....There is only Love on the Other side..
 
If you would forget your obsession with a Satan, you 'would' be making a legitimate point...

I don't believe in satan, but I am using him in an argument in this context, which shows a glaring inconsistency of the people who do believe in him.
 
Still doesn't make sense because it does not apply to the Bible.

An excerpt from an article about this "Royal We".....

Trinity: "Plural of Majesty", "pluralis majestaticus", "singular of intensity", the "Royal we".

I just came across a verse which I recently quoted in another thread that proves once and for all that the usage of the term, "us" couldn't have been a "royal we."


Genesis 11

The Tower of Babel

Now the whole earth had one language and one speech. 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. 3 Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. 4 And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. 6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. 7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”


The big indicator is the word, "COME." The context shows it's being used as an invitation to others, or calling others. It speaks to another.

Furthermore, take note the parallel of usage between verses 1-4 and verses 5-7.

Verse 1-4 shows people calling to one another by saying, "come, let us..." - and verse 5-7 Yahweh calling to the "others" and saying the same, "come, let Us...."

I couldn't help but notice as I post this, that line 6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one, parallels the TRIUNITY of GOD.
 
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