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Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S.

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Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S.

Putin seizes on issue of traditional values

>" MOSCOW — At the height of the Cold War, it was common for American conservatives to label the officially atheist Soviet Union a “godless nation.”

More than two decades on, history has come full circle, as the Kremlin and its allies in the Russian Orthodox Church hurl the same allegation at the West.


“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.”

In his state of the nation address in mid-December, Mr. Putin also portrayed Russia as a staunch defender of “traditional values” against what he depicted as the morally bankrupt West. Social and religious conservatism, the former KGB officer insisted, is the only way to prevent the world from slipping into “chaotic darkness.”

As part of this defense of “Christian values,” Russia has adopted a law banning “homosexual propaganda” and another that makes it a criminal offense to “insult” the religious sensibilities of believers.

The law on religious sensibilities was adopted in the wake of a protest in Moscow’s largest cathedral by a female punk rock group against the Orthodox Church’s support of Mr. Putin. Kremlin-run television said the group’s “demonic” protest was funded by “some Americans.”

Mr. Putin’s views of the West were echoed this month by Patriarch Kirill I of Moscow, the leader of the Orthodox Church, who accused Western countries of engaging in the “spiritual disarmament” of their people.

In particular, Patriarch Kirill criticized laws in several European countries that prevent believers from displaying religious symbols, including crosses on necklaces, at work.



Read more: Who's 'godless' now? Russia says it's U.S. - Washington Times
 
We're not a godless nation, but rather a secular one that protects multiple belief systems. They can happily keep their culture of imprisoning those who dare offend "religious sensibilities." Putin meanwhile will remain a legend and moral arbiter only in his own mind.
 
America-hating right wingers should move to Russia if they love Putin so much.
 
If Russia wants to believe in fables and unproveable supernatural woo woo, that is their choice. The rest of the world is coming to their senses and becoming more rational, and rejecting religion at a pretty fast rate.
 
It's not even about rejecting religion as much as respecting all religions. If that makes us a godless nation, I am okay with that.

If Russia wants to believe in fables and unproveable supernatural woo woo, that is their choice. The rest of the world is coming to their senses and becoming more rational, and rejecting religion at a pretty fast rate.
 
We're not a godless nation, but rather a secular one that protects multiple belief systems. They can happily keep their culture of imprisoning those who dare offend "religious sensibilities." Putin meanwhile will remain a legend and moral arbiter only in his own mind.

God is being legislated out of America bit by bit and at this rate you will have to confine praying to your own home soon so that nobody is offended by those GD churches.
 
Its embarrassing that Putin gets away with tricking fools into believing his religious rhetoric. Considering what the KGB did to believers within Russian and his 15 year long career in said organization, his credibility on the subject is a joke. I wonder if anyone ever asked him how he went from imprisoning and oppressing Christians to sucking off the Orthodox church.
 
Putin may be a liar about how wonderful things are in his own country, rife with gangster corruption, but his point about the west being on an Amtrak straight to hell is well taken
 
Putin may be a liar about how wonderful things are in his own country, rife with gangster corruption, but his point about the west being on an Amtrak straight to hell is well taken

His country brutally oppresses people who don't believe the official state belief, and those who speak out against it.

Ours does not. If that means we're going to hell, I'll buy sunblock.
 
His country brutally oppresses people who don't believe the official state belief, and those who speak out against it.

Ours does not. If that means we're going to hell, I'll buy sunblock.

We do have a larger per capita prison population
 
Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S.

Putin seizes on issue of traditional values

>" MOSCOW — At the height of the Cold War, it was common for American conservatives to label the officially atheist Soviet Union a “godless nation.”
I wasn't alive back then, so I don't have any skin in this game. I can agree, however, that America is a godless nation.
 
His country brutally oppresses people who don't believe the official state belief, and those who speak out against it.

Ours does not. If that means we're going to hell, I'll buy sunblock.

Really, they brutally oppress non-Orthodox? Where?
 
Really, they brutally oppress non-Orthodox? Where?

"Insulting religious sensibilities" is a crime in Russia punishable by 3 years in prison. Naturally, it is only ever enforced against people who go after the Orthodox church, hatred against Muslims is actually encouraged by the state. Its just like the good old days of the Soviet Union, except that they have replaced state sponsored Atheism with Christianity.
 
His country brutally oppresses people who don't believe the official state belief, and those who speak out against it.

Ours does not. If that means we're going to hell, I'll buy sunblock.

They don't have any sun in hell.
 
"Insulting religious sensibilities" is a crime in Russia punishable by 3 years in prison. Naturally, it is only ever enforced against people who go after the Orthodox church, hatred against Muslims is actually encouraged by the state. Its just like the good old days of the Soviet Union, except that they have replaced state sponsored Atheism with Christianity.

How do they encourage hatred of Muslims? The law doesn't prohibit people from practicing other religions.
 
How do they encourage hatred of Muslims? The law doesn't prohibit people from practicing other religions.

Vladimir Zhirinovsky openly stated that Muslims in Russia should have their birth rates forcibly reduced by the state.
 
Vladimir Zhirinovsky openly stated that Muslims in Russia should have their birth rates forcibly reduced by the state.


LOL...Zhirinovsky! If you take what he says seriously...LOL.



Fallen.
 
Vladimir Zhirinovsky openly stated that Muslims in Russia should have their birth rates forcibly reduced by the state.

And his party isn't in power.
 
And his party isn't in power.

And? My point is that even though the law says that its illegal to attack religion, it isn't enforced unless its the orthodox church being targeted. If the law was applied consistently, Zhirinovsky would be doing time.
 
And? My point is that even though the law says that its illegal to attack religion, it isn't enforced unless its the orthodox church being targeted. If the law was applied consistently, Zhirinovsky would be doing time.

And that doesn't mean that the Russian government encourages hatred of Muslims. Was the statement made in the Russian legislature, because if so it would probably be exempt. And why should they treat Christianity and Islam as legal equals?
 
His country brutally oppresses people who don't believe the official state belief, and those who speak out against it.

Ours does not. If that means we're going to hell, I'll buy sunblock.
A theocracy it's little more than a dictatorship. We live in a republic. If what we have to deal with is a handful of religious wing nuts here and there, I would take that over a religious wing nut deciding what is moral and immoral. The "god hates so and so" crowd are easily ignored and quite fun to mock.
 
A theocracy it's little more than a dictatorship. We live in a republic. If what we have to deal with is a handful of religious wing nuts here and there, I would take that over a religious wing nut deciding what is moral and immoral. The "god hates so and so" crowd are easily ignored and quite fun to mock.

What on Earth are you babbling about?
 
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