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Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S.

CLAX1911 said:
I was responding to Deuce. I wasn't babbling. If you can't understand I suggest English classes.
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You were going on about theocracy even though that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
 
APACHERAT said:
“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.”
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I take Putin about as seriously on the subject of godliness as I take Putin on the subject of human rights.

I take Putin about as seriously on the subject of human rights as I take Kim Jong Un on the greatness of North Korea.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
God is being legislated out of America bit by bit and at this rate you will have to confine praying to your own home soon so that nobody is offended by those GD churches.
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Uh huh. :roll:
 
Kobie said:
Uh huh. :roll:
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Funny how some people think God is being legislated out of America. Christianity still seems very present in this nation.

Churches in every neighborhood, no laws against practicing Christianity in public.
 
CLAX1911 said:
This post is off topic. If you have a bone to pick take it to the basement.

I will not address any more of your posts until you can return to the topic.
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Talk about projection.
 
Good, we should never have been the "god" country in the first place. I always thought that was a stupid reason for claiming to be better than or mightier than another group. It's especially distasteful now that Muslims are trying to use the same ideological bull**** to stoke their followers. It doesn't matter the religion, religion isn't a legitimate way to rank the value of a civilization. What's of value is the health and happiness and liberty of a society.
 
Summerwind said:
Good, we should never have been the "god" country in the first place. I always thought that was a stupid reason for claiming to be better than or mightier than another group. It's especially distasteful now that Muslims are trying to use the same ideological bull**** to stoke their followers. It doesn't matter the religion, religion isn't a legitimate way to rank the value of a civilization. What's of value is the health and happiness and liberty of a society.
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I thought the founding fathers of America were all Christians. That's where they derived their values of right vs.wrong from, their very definition of legal justice. So religion can't be all bad.
 
Paleocon said:
And that doesn't mean that the Russian government encourages hatred of Muslims.
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I will see if I can find some other quotes, but most of the time the usual xenophobic statements aren't considered important enough to translate into English.

Was the statement made in the Russian legislature, because if so it would probably be exempt.
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It is actually the opposite. Being able to throw the political opposition in prison if they try and criticize Putin and his political alliance with the Orthodox church is the primary motivation.

And why should they treat Christianity and Islam as legal equals?
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Because violating equal protection under the law and promoting theocracy is a terrible idea? The USSR demonstrated quite clearly how the Russian state will abuse its power when it starts legislating belief.
 
Manny said:
I thought the founding fathers of America were all Christians. That's where they derived their values of right vs.wrong from, their very definition of legal justice. So religion can't be all bad.
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No, the founders had differing religious views. The vision they shared was that you could have a great nation even with said differences.
 
Manny said:
I thought the founding fathers of America were all Christians. That's where they derived their values of right vs.wrong from, their very definition of legal justice. So religion can't be all bad.
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No, they weren't. Also, it depends on your definition of "founding fathers." Are we talking about the delegates to the Constitutional convention, the vast majority of which were various different denominations of Christian, or are we talking about the "leaders" like Jefferson and Washington, who some have described as "theistic rationalists?"

Besides, the Constitution is pretty clearly neutral on the issue of religion -- no establishment, no prohibiting free practice.
 
Putin makes some good points. All my fellow god-fearing Americans would do well to humble yourselves and consider that the man, while FAR from perfect himself, might have some valid points there in his criticism.

Never be afraid to look at your own country critically. Remember it's God THEN country. God comes first. If your country is acting in a way that is against God, it's your duty to speak out.
 
Summerwind said:
Good, we should never have been the "god" country in the first place. I always thought that was a stupid reason for claiming to be better than or mightier than another group. It's especially distasteful now that Muslims are trying to use the same ideological bull**** to stoke their followers. It doesn't matter the religion, religion isn't a legitimate way to rank the value of a civilization. What's of value is the health and happiness and liberty of a society.
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Or how about we don't rank them but instead just mind our own business and go about our lives.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Or how about we don't rank them but instead just mind our own business and go about our lives.
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No, I think it's entirely fair to rank them according to the health, happiness, and liberty of a society. Societies are not all equal and it'd be foolish to imagine that they are or to entirely ignore them in this day and age.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Putin makes some good points. All my fellow god-fearing Americans would do well to humble yourselves and consider that the man, while FAR from perfect himself, might have some valid points there in his criticism.

Never be afraid to look at your own country critically. Remember it's God THEN country. God comes first. If your country is acting in a way that is against God, it's your duty to speak out.
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Like I said earlier:

TacticalEvilDan said:
I take Putin about as seriously on the subject of godliness as I take Putin on the subject of human rights.

I take Putin about as seriously on the subject of human rights as I take Kim Jong Un on the greatness of North Korea.
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sedan said:
America-hating right wingers should move to Russia if they love Putin so much.
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I remember when conservatives used to be bashed for saying things along the lines of, "America, love it or leave it." Now I see variations of that mainly from liberals and suddenly it's laudable.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Putin makes some good points. All my fellow god-fearing Americans would do well to humble yourselves and consider that the man, while FAR from perfect himself, might have some valid points there in his criticism.

Never be afraid to look at your own country critically. Remember it's God THEN country. God comes first. If your country is acting in a way that is against God, it's your duty to speak out.
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Congratulations!

You have managed to think like the most radical muslims.
The FF didn't want a theocracy. They knew that theocracies lead to violence and death.
 
Summerwind said:
No, I think it's entirely fair to rank them according to the health, happiness, and liberty of a society. Societies are not all equal and it'd be foolish to imagine that they are or to entirely ignore them in this day and age.
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OK but we don't all value the same things. For example, I lived in South America for a few years and I don't know a single Brazilian who would trade places with America. In that culture, they enjoy going to the beach and enjoying life more than we do, whereas we measure success by how much money we make and how big our house is.

Health, happiness, and liberty are all subjective measures.
 
RogueWarrior said:
Congratulations!

You have managed to think like the most radical muslims.
The FF didn't want a theocracy. They knew that theocracies lead to violence and death.
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Not sure what "the FF" is, so your entire point is lost.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Putin makes some good points. All my fellow god-fearing Americans would do well to humble yourselves and consider that the man, while FAR from perfect himself, might have some valid points there in his criticism.

Never be afraid to look at your own country critically. Remember it's God THEN country. God comes first. If your country is acting in a way that is against God, it's your duty to speak out.
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As a Conservative Christian, I cannot imagine why I should care what Putin thinks.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Like I said earlier:
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That's your prerogative, however I wouldn't call your position sensible. One should be able to discern the man from the message. This is why we don't revert to ad-hominem attacks, because it's the message that counts and not the messenger.

Did he say anything specifically that you find objectionable, or is it simply that you don't like the guy that you choose to tune him out?
 
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