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Why Creation Remains Nothing Lie We Once Believed

rhinefire

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Going back to the first of thousands of "Gods" created by mankind take in what hideous beliefs once held (the Earth was flat). Late we believed there was one planet created in six days, then we believed Earth was the center of out solar system, then we believed our solar system was the center of the solar system, then we believed there is one universe. So it all stems from egomaniacal thought that all is oneness. One earth, one solar system one universe. It will be proven in the not too distant future there is more than one universe. That should hopefully put an end to worship.
 
Those beliefs are the result of lacking science, not religion. I think you're putting the cart before the horse.
 
rhinefire said:
Going back to the first of thousands of "Gods" created by mankind take in what hideous beliefs once held (the Earth was flat). Late we believed there was one planet created in six days, then we believed Earth was the center of out solar system, then we believed our solar system was the center of the solar system, then we believed there is one universe. So it all stems from egomaniacal thought that all is oneness. One earth, one solar system one universe. It will be proven in the not too distant future there is more than one universe. That should hopefully put an end to worship.
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This is an easy question. Basically religion reserved unlimited knowledge and power on an invented (i.e., lie) being. Thereby wherever humanity's knowledge was limited at that is where the religious put their "God" and the divine beliefs on.

The more we knew the more their lies came to be revealed. Now the most scientifically oriented religious claim that God created the Big Bang. If that is put down they'll claim the next frontier to knowledge proposal, the limitation itself, as what God created. They just sit and claim the limitations as God while we do the work and constantly prove them wrong.
 
rhinefire said:
Going back to the first of thousands of "Gods" created by mankind take in what hideous beliefs once held (the Earth was flat). Late we believed there was one planet created in six days, then we believed Earth was the center of out solar system, then we believed our solar system was the center of the solar system, then we believed there is one universe. So it all stems from egomaniacal thought that all is oneness. One earth, one solar system one universe. It will be proven in the not too distant future there is more than one universe. That should hopefully put an end to worship.
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Not necessarily. Hindus believe that there are innumerable universes, created by bubbles blown from the breath of a god as he lies sleeping. Now today we have science describing the possibility of multiverses, bubble universes, and even 'quantum foam'. Therefore science transcends into hinduism.

Sorry if that bursts your bubble...
 
The answer is hidden in the thread title:

Lie We Once Believed
 
specklebang said:
The answer is hidden in the thread title:

Lie We Once Believed
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Unfortunately, there are far too many gullible, credulous folks who still believe it.
 
rhinefire said:
Going back to the first of thousands of "Gods" created by mankind take in what hideous beliefs once held (the Earth was flat). Late we believed there was one planet created in six days, then we believed Earth was the center of out solar system, then we believed our solar system was the center of the solar system, then we believed there is one universe. So it all stems from egomaniacal thought that all is oneness. One earth, one solar system one universe. It will be proven in the not too distant future there is more than one universe. That should hopefully put an end to worship.
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I don't like worship much myself but a multiverse doesn't mean no gods(you might not have any need for them to exist (but that holds true with just 1 universe) but that's it) nether dose incorrect cosmology

as long as people find comfort in believing some one is running existence religious worship will continue
 
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blarg said:
as long as people find comfort in believing some one is ruining existence religious worship will continue
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No matter how foolish, irrational or illogical it may be.
 
Cephus said:
Unfortunately, there are far too many gullible, credulous folks who still believe it.
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I am doubtful that they believe it per se but it's the only hope they have of avoiding eternal death, so they cling to it. While I don't feel that way, I kind of understand it.
 
Manny said:
Not necessarily. Hindus believe that there are innumerable universes, created by bubbles blown from the breath of a god as he lies sleeping. Now today we have science describing the possibility of multiverses, bubble universes, and even 'quantum foam'. Therefore science transcends into hinduism.

Sorry if that bursts your bubble...
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hey if any one ever dose prove theirs a multiverse do you think we should drop the uni from the word universe and just call this place a verse?
 
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specklebang said:
I am doubtful that they believe it per se but it's the only hope they have of avoiding eternal death, so they cling to it. While I don't feel that way, I kind of understand it.
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I duno you might not need gods for an afterlife
 
blarg said:
hey if any one ever dose prove theirs a multiverse do you think we should drop the uni from the word universe and just call this place a verse?
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Hey, now that's a play on words
 
specklebang said:
Really, where else can you get an after-life? WalMart?
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don't be silly

but if you can believe that gods exist just because that's the way it is

or that the universe ultimately exists just because that's the way it is

why cant you believe that your conciseness will still exist some place else just because that's the way it is without having to add in a certain kind of being just happened to exist and just happened to make the world we know and just happened to make a different place for us to go after we die and just happened to make some undetected part of us immortal

seems like that's an unnecessary step if your just working with wish fulfillment any way
 
Manny said:
Hey, now that's a play on words
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im serious though the uni meaning one bit just doesn't seem to apply any more if a multiverse is the case
 
blarg said:
don't be silly

but if you can believe that gods exist just because that's the way it is

or that the universe ultimately exists just because that's the way it is

why cant you believe that your conciseness will still exist some place else just because that's the way it is without having to add in a certain kind of being just happened to exist and just happened to make the world we know and just happened to make a different place for us to go after we die and just happened to make some undetected part of us immortal

seems like that's an unnecessary step if your just working with wish fulfillment any way
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You can believe anything you want. Apparently, most prefer a direction for those beliefs. It appears that death is a permanent state, what with the rotting flesh and all. So, how do you get around the obvious? You use FAITH.
 
specklebang said:
You can believe anything you want. Apparently, most prefer a direction for those beliefs. It appears that death is a permanent state, what with the rotting flesh and all. So, how do you get around the obvious? You use FAITH.
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ya you do im just saying that faith doesn't need to include gods and its not any worse off for it not having them so a god is not the only hope of the faithful though as you note it is a popular one

for afterlife's any way if you want faith about how you should act without gods karma works great some set of physics you believe in like you would believe in a god that dictates if you do x then r happens because ultimately( and you don't need to know about the steps in between ) that's just the way it is


deity's while a poplar form of faith just arnt necessary for faith
 
specklebang said:
You can believe anything you want. Apparently, most prefer a direction for those beliefs. It appears that death is a permanent state, what with the rotting flesh and all. So, how do you get around the obvious? You use FAITH.
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or did you mean its their only hope because they cant conceive of alternative faith without gods?
 
blarg said:
im serious though the uni meaning one bit just doesn't seem to apply any more if a multiverse is the case
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Yes but the verse remains, no matter how we "pre-fix" it.
 
Manny said:
Yes but the verse remains, no matter how we "pre-fix" it.
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ya so that's why I just want to chop the uni bit off and go with just verse

or maybe we could make the multi verse the universe cause their all in their

then if we want to lump a group of verses together for some kind of classification purpose we could refer to those groups of verses as multi verses
 
blarg said:
ya you do im just saying that faith doesn't need to include gods and its not any worse off for it not having them so a god is not the only hope of the faithful though as you note it is a popular one

for afterlife's any way if you want faith about how you should act without gods karma works great some set of physics you believe in like you would believe in a god that dictates if you do x then r happens because ultimately( and you don't need to know about the steps in between ) that's just the way it is


deity's while a poplar form of faith just arnt necessary for faith
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blarg said:
or did you mean its their only hope because they cant conceive of alternative faith without gods?
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I think it's reasonable to say that the concept of god is a great comfort if you are able to embrace it. It gives life a sense of more purpose than the get born, live, eat, ****, work, sleep, hunt, gather and die situation that you might be facing otherwise. Some religions have many kinds of gods and that seems to work for them. How you visualize god is not important. Nor is it important that you do at all. After that it's your choice of what kind of person you really want to be.
 
Manny said:
Not necessarily. Hindus believe that there are innumerable universes, created by bubbles blown from the breath of a god as he lies sleeping. Now today we have science describing the possibility of multiverses, bubble universes, and even 'quantum foam'. Therefore science transcends into hinduism.

Sorry if that bursts your bubble...
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What do you think quantum foam has to do with multiple universes?
 
MoSurveyor said:
What do you think quantum foam has to do with multiple universes?
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Quantum Foam is where all the alternate universes are. In some, your cat never died and in others, you never had a cat. There are bizillions of these things and they are placed in layers of the QF. Otherwise we'd have run out of room millions of years ago.
 
specklebang said:
Quantum Foam is where all the alternate universes are. In some, your cat never died and in others, you never had a cat. There are bizillions of these things and they are placed in layers of the QF. Otherwise we'd have run out of room millions of years ago.
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???? Schrodinger's Cat is certainly an idea of QM/QED but it's not what physicists refer to as 'quantum foam' - or 'quantum jitters' as Brain Greene sometimes calls it.
 
specklebang said:
I am doubtful that they believe it per se but it's the only hope they have of avoiding eternal death, so they cling to it. While I don't feel that way, I kind of understand it.
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No, there's no reason to think that they can possibly avoid death. People need to come to grips with reality and accept what actually is instead of clinging to fairy tales that promise to do absurd things. Wishful thinking doesn't change reality.
 
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