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Is Christianity under attack in modern America?

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Is Christianity under attack in modern America? OR is the idea just an example of the formerly privileged being unwilling to accept equality for all?

We have politicians and pundits ranting and raving about how Christians can barely speak their mind in public any longer because of ... something or other.

Examples:
Birth Control Mandate is As Bad As Sept. 11 and Pearl Harbor: Mike Kelly - PolicyMic
Representative Mike Kelly (R-PA)
I know in your mind you can think of times when America was attacked. One is December 7th, that’s Pearl Harbor day. The other is September 11th, and that’s the day of the terrorist attack. I want you to remember August the 1st, 2012, the attack on our religious freedom. That is a day that will live in infamy, along with those other dates

Salvation Army Volunteer Using Smaller Bell After Business Owner Complains - Fox Nation should be compared with Woman hits Salvation Army kettle bell-ringer who said 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas' - World Story

Lawsuits across the country complain about nativity scenes on government land. What do you think should a town's response be to such a lawsuit? Is asking a town to remove a nativity scene from government-owned property oppressing Christianity?
 
That's not the point at all. The point is that religion haters will do whatever it takes to erase Christianity because they are most passive, but won't touch Islam for fear of getting their throats cut.

/thread
 
Christianity is not under attack in modern America, no. There are Christian churches in every town in America, several in most of even the smallest towns. No one is being discouraged from going to those churches, attacked for attending any church, or told that they must only attend some state approved church.

In the Middle East, however, things are different. Here, we have freedom of religion. You can thank whatever god you believe in for that, or if you don't believe in one, be thankful for our founding fathers.
 
There is no oppression in the US, either by or to Christians. We don't know what oppression is here.
 
I think sometimes the "Christianity under attack" argument comes from misguided places. A nativity scene on government-owned property oppressing Christianity? That's not attacking Christianity, merely trying to keep our church and state separate.

And the bells? Those are just annoying.


Is Christianity under attack in modern America? OR is the idea just an example of the formerly privileged being unwilling to accept equality for all?

We have politicians and pundits ranting and raving about how Christians can barely speak their mind in public any longer because of ... something or other.

Examples:


Salvation Army Volunteer Using Smaller Bell After Business Owner Complains - Fox Nation should be compared with Woman hits Salvation Army kettle bell-ringer who said 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas' - World Story

Lawsuits across the country complain about nativity scenes on government land. What do you think should a town's response be to such a lawsuit? Is asking a town to remove a nativity scene from government-owned property oppressing Christianity?
 
As a christian i feel ZERO oppression because of being chrisitian and thats the answer i have for myself.

as for stories about nativity sets, bakers being sued etc, that also is not oppression of "Christianity"

are there people that want to oppress it? yes of course, are their Christian that try to oppress others? yes of course

but in general there no oppression of Christianity even thinking there is seems greatly illogical.
 
Is Christianity under attack in modern America? OR is the idea just an example of the formerly privileged being unwilling to accept equality for all?

We have politicians and pundits ranting and raving about how Christians can barely speak their mind in public any longer because of ... something or other.

Examples:


Salvation Army Volunteer Using Smaller Bell After Business Owner Complains - Fox Nation should be compared with Woman hits Salvation Army kettle bell-ringer who said 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas' - World Story

Lawsuits across the country complain about nativity scenes on government land. What do you think should a town's response be to such a lawsuit? Is asking a town to remove a nativity scene from government-owned property oppressing Christianity?

Christianity isn't under attack. It's starting to lose its preferential treatment, but there's no true and widespread movement to end it.
 
That's not the point at all. The point is that religion haters will do whatever it takes to erase Christianity because they are most passive, but won't touch Islam for fear of getting their throats cut.

/thread

This may be one of the dumbest arguments ever.
 
I wonder if there is any correlation between little kids that constantly whine, throw fits and temper tantrums every time they don't get their way, and grown adults in the United States acting like a baby and claiming they are oppressed Christians every time the constitution prevents them from getting their way. "There is a war on Christmas", "we can't teach creationism in science class", "we don't have school sanction prayer in schools", "letting gay people marry destroys marriage"….. What a bunch of babies.
 
That's not the point at all. The point is that religion haters will do whatever it takes to erase Christianity because they are most passive, but won't touch Islam for fear of getting their throats cut.

/thread

Yea cuz so many churches are being closed down :roll:
 
I wouldn't say Christianity is under attack per se, but I would say that there are enormous numbers of hypocrites who show an animus towards it that do not show similar animus towards any other religion, and this despite the actual magnitude of that which they claim offends them.
 
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Not at all.
 
There's examples like this all the time.

Lawmakers accuse VA of disrespecting Christians | Fox News

“In taking it upon themselves to restrict Christmas cards, carols and gifts in certain locations, VA officials clearly ignored longstanding federal government traditions, basic common sense and possibly a 2011 federal consent decree that ordered VA not to ban religious speech,” Miller wrote in a letter to Eric Shinseki, the secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Rep. Miller sent a strongly worded letter to the head of the VA demanding that VA personnel responsible for the censorship be held accountable for possible constitutional and civil rights violations.

“Because Christmas is a federal holiday and VA is a federal entity, VA patients, volunteers and veterans service organizations should be free to respectfully honor it without obstruction and censorship from VA,” he wrote.
 
There's examples like this all the time.

Lawmakers accuse VA of disrespecting Christians | Fox News

“In taking it upon themselves to restrict Christmas cards, carols and gifts in certain locations, VA officials clearly ignored longstanding federal government traditions, basic common sense and possibly a 2011 federal consent decree that ordered VA not to ban religious speech,” Miller wrote in a letter to Eric Shinseki, the secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Rep. Miller sent a strongly worded letter to the head of the VA demanding that VA personnel responsible for the censorship be held accountable for possible constitutional and civil rights violations.

“Because Christmas is a federal holiday and VA is a federal entity, VA patients, volunteers and veterans service organizations should be free to respectfully honor it without obstruction and censorship from VA,” he wrote.

The VA hospital in Dallas admitted to “incorrectly” rejecting Christmas cards from students at Grace Academy in Prosper, Tex.

“We regret that a misunderstanding of policy was communicated and will work towards ensuring no one is told that their religious cards for Veterans are not welcome,” director Jeffrey Milligan wrote in a letter to the Liberty Institute.
 
I think sometimes the "Christianity under attack" argument comes from misguided places. A nativity scene on government-owned property oppressing Christianity? That's not attacking Christianity, merely trying to keep our church and state separate.

And the bells? Those are just annoying.

Church bells are beautiful, that's one thing you never hear in the United States but if you travel to the old cities in Europe they all have church bells. To me it's quaint and very lovely.
 
As a christian i feel ZERO oppression because of being chrisitian and thats the answer i have for myself.

as for stories about nativity sets, bakers being sued etc, that also is not oppression of "Christianity"

are there people that want to oppress it? yes of course, are their Christian that try to oppress others? yes of course

but in general there no oppression of Christianity even thinking there is seems greatly illogical.


Are you really a Christian though? When I run across your posts here on debate politics, it seems usually to be anti-christian themes.
 
1.)Are you really a Christian though?
2.) When I run across your posts here on debate politics, it seems usually to be anti-christian themes.

1.) of course and only me and my maker get to decide that
2.) you feeling this way is very reassuring to me also there is factually nothing in my posts that has an anti-chrisitan theme
 
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There is no oppression in the US, either by or to Christians. We don't know what oppression is here.

And most of us would like to keep it that way.

Be Ever Vigilante!
 
The fact is, Christianity in particular, but religion in general has had special rights and privileges in this country for many, many, many years. Now they are losing their special place and special powers and they're whining that they actually have to be equal like everyone else. It's not a war on Christianity, it's a war on Christian superiority.
 
Yeah, because that's not where they are concentrating their efforts.

Oh wait! Man they are really taking down America with that "war on Christmas" :lamo
 
Oh wait! Man they are really taking down America with that "war on Christmas" :lamo

You think that something is only wrong when it's catastrophic......in your eyes.
 
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