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If God Created The Heavens What Did God Do Before That?

Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post

God can try to do whatever he wants to try to do, but I have a different approach to life: When I build something, I build it to endure, not to fail.

No being can claim to be omnipotent if it can't create something that endures forever and never needs to be replaced.

God has failed that test.


Like I've said, you don't understand the concept of a god, or God.

You've hardly done anything that would compare your prowess to that of God. You won't even have the tools, let alone exist, without Him. Think of your skills as an analogy to the handful of dirt the scientist tried to use to compare himself to God.

You're just human. Your wisdom at its highest is to Him utter stupidity.



Isaiah 55
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“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.

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“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
 
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Like I've said, you don't understand the concept of a god, or God.

You've hardly done anything that would compare your prowess to that of God. You won't even have the tools, let alone exist, without Him. Think of your skills as an analogy to the handful of dirt the scientist tried to use to compare himself to God.

You're just human. Your wisdom at its highest is to Him utter stupidity.



Isaiah 55
8
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.

9
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

It's all about the big picture. It's not all about what's at the tip of your nose, or what you can see.
 
I wonder what he did for the 13.7 billion years between the start of the universe and having humans around to worship him?

He even waited until very recently to actually tell those humans that that was the purpose of them. Odd that.
 
I wonder what he did for the 13.7 billion years between the start of the universe and having humans around to worship him?

He even waited until very recently to actually tell those humans that that was the purpose of them. Odd that.
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Wonder away.....because I don't think He'll ever explain it to you - unless He wants you to know.
 
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Wonder away.....because I don't think He'll ever explain it to you - unless He wants you to know.

When he explains it to anyone I'll believe he did spend 13.7 billion years with his thumb up his arse until then I will continue to believe he is a fictional character.
 
When he explains it to anyone I'll believe he did spend 13.7 billion years with his thumb up his arse until then I will continue to believe he is a fictional character.


Then go ahead and continue to believe what you want to believe. It's your life, not mine.
 
I wonder what he did for the 13.7 billion years between the start of the universe and having humans around to worship him?

He even waited until very recently to actually tell those humans that that was the purpose of them. Odd that.

Since it seems that God is not constrained by the dimension of time and space, God probably doesn't have to wait for anything. Your question here, and OP are trapped in your anthropomorphic time-based perception of reality. Even physical science will discount this as in error.

More to the point, attempting to put literal, fundamental interpretations on things best described as "metaphysical" usually results in erroneous conclusions!
 
That's the theory. It expands, then compresses to a big bang and starts expanding again. We measure the age of the universe under the presumption of current expansion. At some point, it is expected to stop expanding and begin to collapse back upon itself.

You've heard of this, right?

Yes, but I believe that idea is debunked in favor of infinite expansion since we cannot explain the increase in the rate of speed of expansion, so not only is it expanding it is doing so at a greater velocity. The difference between science and religion is in science we seek and find answers to mysteries versus religion that just pounds the ancient drum of words that no one can prove were said. The essence of religion is merely stories and nothing more and when asked to verify the response is simply, "believe". How sad.
 
That's the theory. It expands, then compresses to a big bang and starts expanding again. We measure the age of the universe under the presumption of current expansion. At some point, it is expected to stop expanding and begin to collapse back upon itself.

You've heard of this, right?

You are about 20 years behind.
 
Theists are funny, they go on about how our feeble minds cannot grasp god or its intentions, but how the **** do theists know then what their god wants? Their feeble minds should not be able to know such things even it was written in some book. Those books btw were written by feeble minded humans.

So if we cannot understand what a god does then all theists are talking out their asses since they cannot be able to understand what a god would want either.
 
Theists are funny, they go on about how our feeble minds cannot grasp god or its intentions, but how the **** do theists know then what their god wants? Their feeble minds should not be able to know such things even it was written in some book. Those books btw were written by feeble minded humans.

So if we cannot understand what a god does then all theists are talking out their asses since they cannot be able to understand what a god would want either.

You wouldn't think them feeble or funny at all, had you read and understood the Bible - which you ought to do, IF you're going to criticize their belief. After all, what kind of criticism are you going to be spouting about when you're ignorant of that which you criticize? If Christians had to try to read, AND STUDY to understand it - so should non-believers who would argue and debate about it.

How do we know what God wants? The Bible. The most important are quite straightforward. LOVE OF GOD. OBEDIENCE and TRUST in HIM. LOVE OF NEIGHBORS. I'm surprise you don't even understand the basics! For someone who's going to get into a discussion, you don't seem to know much about the subject.


As for other stuffs.....We'll know what He wants us to know. When He wants us to know.

Why do you think science is revealing a little bit more? Supporting the Bible more? Spreading His Word to the far corners of the earth through
hi-tech? You think that's simply a coincidence?
 
For those of you ignorant of the Bible, instead of asking why do believers believe, you should ask instead: What is it about it that makes non-believers believe?
There are plenty of what I refer to as the modern "Paul" - former atheists who ended up not only believing in Christianity, but had also taken up the mission and wholeheartedly embarked on Apologetics, and spread of the Gospel.

Lest those of you who don't understand the Bible ALSO mistake the term apologetics for making an apology - apologetics is reasoned arguments or writings in justification of something, typically a theory or religious doctrine.
 
As science struggles with what was before the big bang I ask those that believe in a God, what was God doing before God created the heavens and earth? Did God do it more than once? God had to be doing "something" before the heavens and earth were created, right?

Maybe he was just chillin and got bored. I don't think he would try and retry the experiment but wipe the universe in between. The universe is so large that he could do practically the same thing ten million times and we still probably wouldn't find out for billions and billions of years, assuming evolution happened. If we assume that the creation story in its entirety is completely correct, still like ten thousand years before we would really get into deep space at any reasonable speed. And he could just pop the Earth into rubble and go to another solar system, leaving no chance for messy encounters between current specimens and failed experiments.

Maybe the Big Bang created God, and he personally shaped the Earth and solar system practically immediately, who knows?
 
You wouldn't think them feeble or funny at all, had you read and understood the Bible - which you ought to do, IF you're going to criticize their belief. After all, what kind of criticism are you going to be spouting about when you're ignorant of that which you criticize? If Christians had to try to read, AND STUDY to understand it - so should non-believers who would argue and debate about it.

How do we know what God wants? The Bible. The most important are quite straightforward. LOVE OF GOD. OBEDIENCE and TRUST in HIM. LOVE OF NEIGHBORS. I'm surprise you don't even understand the basics! For someone who's going to get into a discussion, you don't seem to know much about the subject.


As for other stuffs.....We'll know what He wants us to know. When He wants us to know.

Why do you think science is revealing a little bit more? Supporting the Bible more? Spreading His Word to the far corners of the earth through
hi-tech? You think that's simply a coincidence?

Nice! You are arrogantly presuming that just because I criticize the bible that I must not have read it or understand it. PFFFT I have probably read more than you? At any rate believe what you want about me and say what you want it doesnt change a damn thing in this discussion. Its just par for course that you would use such a overly Christian debate tactic like what you just did. Its like there must be a Christian format for such things. Just try and call anyone ignorant that disagrees then insist that they read the bible because the bible will convert the critics. Problem is that I would need to have a weak mind for that to work.

All you have is a damn book written by mortals. You know nothing more than I do about your god which is nothing but a character in a book. You know nothing of that imaginary gods intentions except for what that book says. Every reference for that god comes from that book and no where else. If any reference is extra-biblical than its complete bull****. SO what you know is bible based entirely you are not special you have no knowledge that isnt available to anyone including those that reject the bibles claims, all one needs to do is look it up in the bible. There isnt any magic understanding just because you fell for the writings of some nuts.

SO save your preaching for the flock of ex-cons, druggies, child abusers, wife beaters, the old bitties and their rented pews and anyone else weak enough to need a Savior or a mental place to hid from the reality of death.
 
Nice! You are arrogantly presuming that just because I criticize the bible that I must not have read it or understand it. PFFFT I have probably read more than you? At any rate believe what you want about me and say what you want it doesnt change a damn thing in this discussion. Its just par for course that you would use such a overly Christian debate tactic like what you just did. Its like there must be a Christian format for such things. Just try and call anyone ignorant that disagrees then insist that they read the bible because the bible will convert the critics. Problem is that I would need to have a weak mind for that to work.

Well....how can I not presume that? Your own questions and comment reflect that.
 
All you have is a damn book written by mortals. You know nothing more than I do about your god which is nothing but a character in a book.
You know nothing of that imaginary gods intentions except for what that book says. Every reference for that god comes from that book and no where else. If any reference is extra-biblical than its complete bull****. SO what you know is bible based entirely you are not special you have no knowledge that isnt available to anyone including those that reject the bibles claims, all one needs to do is look it up in the bible. There isnt any magic understanding just because you fell for the writings of some nuts.

SO save your preaching for the flock of ex-cons, druggies, child abusers, wife beaters, the old bitties and their rented pews and anyone else weak enough to need a Savior or a mental place to hid from the reality of death.

Don't lump us all along with you. A lot of us Christians know that God is real. From our own personal experiences - as given in our testimonies.
Whether you believe us or not, that's your choice. But just because you don't believe it to be true does not mean it ain't so.
 
Don't lump us all along with you. A lot of us Christians know that God is real. From our own personal experiences - as given in our testimonies.
Whether you believe us or not, that's your choice. But just because you don't believe it to be true does not mean it ain't so.

You are right it is my choice. And you can make your choice to believe whatever the hell it is that want. But just because you believe the bible doesnt make you more important than me just because I reject it. We both have our bias's and our conversation here isnt going to change that bias. So I am trying to save you the time and effort I wont be converted by you or anyone else. So telling me about your hell or whatever is irrelevant to this conversation.
 
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