choose your own adventure: you are God

In the monotheistic — particularly Judaism, Christianity and Islam; but feel free to throw Mandaeism and Zoroastrianism into the picture as well, if you want — sense of the word.

The angels who guard your throne are whispering to You that mankind isn't worth either Your love or Your grace, and that You should just go ahead and unmake Your creation of them.

You disagree.

Why?

Not that You need to justify anything You've ever done to Your angels, or anyone or anything else, but why do You insist that mankind — in spite of all the things it has done through the years to spite You and/ or anything else You've created — has earned Your love?

This thread is not in any way intended either to be blasphemous of any monotheistic faith or its adherents.

shart attack said:

In the monotheistic — particularly Judaism, Christianity and Islam; but feel free to throw Mandaeism and Zoroastrianism into the picture as well, if you want — sense of the word.

The angels who guard your throne are whispering to You that mankind isn't worth either Your love or Your grace, and that You should just go ahead and unmake Your creation of them.

You disagree.

Why?

Not that You need to justify anything You've ever done to Your angels, or anyone or anything else, but why do You insist that mankind — in spite of all the things it has done through the years to spite You and/ or anything else You've created — has earned Your love?

This thread is not in any way intended either to be blasphemous of any monotheistic faith or its adherents.

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Cause love should be unconditional and not earned with merit. Only the control freaks invest love per doing what one thinks is right. Since I am not such a God then I let them be with free unconditional love.

DDD said:

Cause love should be unconditional and not earned with merit. Only the control freaks invest love per doing what one thinks is right. Since I am not such a God then I let them be with free unconditional love.

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Isn't that essentially what Christianity fundamentally believes — that love is unconditional?

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast." — Ephesians 2:8-9

If I were God in one of those senses then I would've likely known that humanity would've not been worthy of my love when I made them. So whatever reason I had then would still apply.

shart attack said:

Isn't that essentially what Christianity fundamentally believes — that love is unconditional?

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast." — Ephesians 2:8-9

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It is just like Christianity believes. Thereby Christianity and its vision of God equals that of a human just like me. No divinity here, just religious rogue political party control.

shart attack said:

Isn't that essentially what Christianity fundamentally believes — that love is unconditional?

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast." — Ephesians 2:8-9

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Incorrect. God's love is unconditional until you die a sinner, then it's "**** you, burn in hell forever with no chance of reprieve."

I simply can't call a god who would do that a loving god.

It will happen again...hide and watch.

shart attack said:

In the monotheistic — particularly Judaism, Christianity and Islam; but feel free to throw Mandaeism and Zoroastrianism into the picture as well, if you want — sense of the word.

The angels who guard your throne are whispering to You that mankind isn't worth either Your love or Your grace, and that You should just go ahead and unmake Your creation of them.

You disagree.

Why?

Not that You need to justify anything You've ever done to Your angels, or anyone or anything else, but why do You insist that mankind — in spite of all the things it has done through the years to spite You and/ or anything else You've created — has earned Your love?

This thread is not in any way intended either to be blasphemous of any monotheistic faith or its adherents.

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XBox One and PS4 just came out. Need humans for games.

Pathetic.

God doesn't give a spit what your political party is.

Why are you are you trying to use Him to polarize?

RabidAlpaca said:

Incorrect. God's love is unconditional until you die a sinner, then it's "**** you, burn in hell forever with no chance of reprieve."

I simply can't call a god who would do that a loving god.

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LOL.

How can a story in which you choose your own adventure -- your own ending -- be "incorrect"???

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LOL.

How can a story in which you choose your own adventure -- your own ending -- be "incorrect"???

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You didn't choose your own adventure. You made an incorrect statement about christianity, and I corrected you.

shart attack said:

Isn't that essentially what Christianity fundamentally believes — that love is unconditional?

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast." — Ephesians 2:8-9

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According to the bible, god's love is extremely conditional. If you don't do exactly what he says, you can rot in hell forever.

I'm curious as to how an all powerful and all knowing god couldn't a) make a persuasive enough argument to convince the angels of its viewpoint, b) make the angels understanding this in the first place, c) effectively communicate its desires to humanity, or d) create humans already knowing its desires. I'm even more curious as to how this god created people a certain way and then gets angry at them and punishes them for acting that way. Is god surprised? It obviously knew how its creation would act, and could have created them differently. All of the things that are supposedly done to "spite" this god, it knew would happen and could have done something about, but didn't.

If you are all powerful and all knowing, then literally everything is your fault.

shart attack said:

How can a story in which you choose your own adventure -- your own ending -- be "incorrect"???

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Is this more of that "people choose hell by rejecting god" nonsense? That makes god little different from any other brutal tyrant who tortures and murders people in order to secure their allegiance. No one tries to excuse concentration camps by saying that the people there chose it by rejecting Hitler, so why is a god not held to at least the standards of Hitler? I would hope it would be held to much higher standards.

RabidAlpaca said:

According to the bible, god's love is extremely conditional. If you don't do exactly what he says, you can rot in hell forever.

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See, that sounds like slavery to me. Doesn't it sound that way to you?

To love mankind is about the only thing one could do. Admire, respect I think not. Like all of creation man is horribly flawed so almost out of pity one could justify love because nothing else fits except perhaps for pity.

First, the question is based on flawed ontology, if I were God then I wouldn't be me. Second, God is by nature eternal, so he can't change his mind since he is incapable of change. If God "uncreated" a person, then that person not only wouldn't exist, but never would have existed, and so the reason for "uncreating" him would go away.

shart attack said:

The angels who guard your throne are whispering to You that mankind isn't worth either Your love or Your grace, and that You should just go ahead and unmake Your creation of them.

You disagree.

Why?

Not that You need to justify anything You've ever done to Your angels, or anyone or anything else, but why do You insist that mankind — in spite of all the things it has done through the years to spite You and/ or anything else You've created — has earned Your love?

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If you create something, it doesn't need to earn your love. Your love is expressed in the creative process. That's like asking if my son should only do what pleases me, in order to earn my love. The love is there inherently, and does not need to be earned. That is not to say that if my son tries to do me harm, I should turn my eyes, and pretend otherwise, but the love does not die. What changes is in the way that I relate to him personally. If my son was abusive to me, or hated me for some reason, our relationship would, by necessity, change, but the love would still remain.

Paleocon said:

First, the question is based on flawed ontology, if I were God then I wouldn't be me. Second, God is by nature eternal, so he can't change his mind since he is incapable of change. If God "uncreated" a person, then that person not only wouldn't exist, but never would have existed, and so the reason for "uncreating" him would go away.

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God is limited by time travel paradoxes? Blasphemy.

It's only blasphemy to a nominalist. God is not able to contradict his nature, this is not a limitation properly speaking. It would be contrary to his eternality for God to change his mind from one moment in time to another.

Man is by nature a beast capable of not only killing but expressing joy in killing. Killing has evolved in to a science ever since tools were invented. Think back in time how weaponry has evolved in to such a destructive power we dare not use it. It is not enough to kill humans for joy we also do it to helpless animals. Man would be better off to be living with the brain of a monkey.

Monkeys can be vicious little baby eating douchebags.