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Reincarnation

I don't believe life expectancy matters in this context.:peace

To calculate how many people have ever lived, Haub followed a minimalist approach, beginning with two people in 50000 B.C.—his Adam and Eve. Then, using his historical growth rates and population benchmarks, he estimated that slightly over 106 billion people had ever been born. Of those, people alive today comprise only 6 percent, nowhere near 75 percent. "[It is] almost surely true people alive today are some small fraction of [all] people," says Joel Cohen, a professor of populations at the Rockefeller and Columbia Universities in New York City.
Fact or Fiction?: Living People Outnumber the Dead: Scientific American
 
Do you believe in it? I think it can be possible - I mean why not, anything is really.


This morning I just got a little freaked out when my five year old started saying some stuff that was a little out there. She has never done or said anything like this before but this morning as we were getting ready to leave she suddenly said to me "I remember before I was born to you" I was alittle rushed this morning and it caught me off guard so I asked her what and she said "I was in heaven but before that I got all scratched up and died. I had cuts on my face" That stopped me and I said what happened. She looked alittle confused and said again she got scratched on her face. Then she said she remembered her eyes turning to brown and I asked her what color were they and she took her finger and kinda swept over them and said that she doesn't know only that they turned to black then brown in heaven. So I was kinda freaked then and asked her where she heard this stuff because I figured maybe she heard something or someone talk about something but she says she didn't hear it, that it happened to her before she was a baby with me. At that point we really had to get going so I couldn't talk to her more about it but it made me wonder and think, could she be saying the truth? I'd like to think she heard it somewhere or imagining things but isn't there a chance of reincarnation being possible?

I can't really say that I believe in reincarnation but if I was God and had the choice I'd definitely send those who were taken too soon back for another round.
 
Trying to crunch numbers on reincarnation is non-sense. Some things are beyond our full grasp in this realm. Reincarnation is real. Call me nuts but I know I was killed in WW1 when I stuck my head over the trench and caught a round in the jaw. Nothing glorious or heroic just another dumb kid getting his head blown off in another dumb ass war. It's a very long story as to how and why I am so sure of this and if you think I'm nuts now.... don't ask.:lol:

EDIT: Great story about your kid American, don't just blow it off.
 
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Do you believe in it? I think it can be possible - I mean why not, anything is really.


This morning I just got a little freaked out when my five year old started saying some stuff that was a little out there. She has never done or said anything like this before but this morning as we were getting ready to leave she suddenly said to me "I remember before I was born to you" I was alittle rushed this morning and it caught me off guard so I asked her what and she said "I was in heaven but before that I got all scratched up and died. I had cuts on my face" That stopped me and I said what happened. She looked alittle confused and said again she got scratched on her face. Then she said she remembered her eyes turning to brown and I asked her what color were they and she took her finger and kinda swept over them and said that she doesn't know only that they turned to black then brown in heaven. So I was kinda freaked then and asked her where she heard this stuff because I figured maybe she heard something or someone talk about something but she says she didn't hear it, that it happened to her before she was a baby with me. At that point we really had to get going so I couldn't talk to her more about it but it made me wonder and think, could she be saying the truth? I'd like to think she heard it somewhere or imagining things but isn't there a chance of reincarnation being possible?

I believe in reincarnation because I believe in Karma. There have been too many unexplained cases of people instantly knowing people they have never met before to disregard it. Now whether you're here this time to receive reward or punishment is what makes it interesting, IMO. :mrgreen:

Greetings, Americanwoman. :2wave:
 
Because there are so many more people living now than in the past. As I said in my first post on this thread, the problem is arithmetic.:peace
Why would that limit the number of individual souls existing?
 
Fair enough. But then most souls in the present are new, not reincarnated.:peace

Bingo! Now you know why the "low races" are multiplying like there is no tomorrow. ;)
Just one correction - young, not new. Young meaning fewer incarnations.
 
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One problem with reincarnation is simple arithmetic. About half the people who ever lived are alive today. There are not enough souls in the pipeline.:peace

When you are dealing with myth making, you get to make it up as you go along. Some of the souls in bodies today could be on their first ride. In fact, that is all that your math compels: If reincarnation is true, then many people living today are on their first incarnation.

It is very hard to disprove through logic things which cannot be studied objectively.

Edited: I see that this line of reasoning has already been pursued.
 
Do you believe in it? I think it can be possible - I mean why not, anything is really.


This morning I just got a little freaked out when my five year old started saying some stuff that was a little out there. She has never done or said anything like this before but this morning as ..., could she be saying the truth? I'd like to think she heard it somewhere or imagining things but isn't there a chance of reincarnation being possible?

There have been a number of studies on this phenomenon... They don't typically make it into mainstream scientific journals though.

Thy have found cases by talking to children who claim to have had a past life, where they would describe facts and names, that on investigation turned out to provide accurate information...

I see the simplest explanation is that the soul is "energy",and since energy cannot be created or destroyed, that means that the universe is ultimately a closed loop and so your "soul" must be born to many bodies...
 
Trying to crunch numbers on reincarnation is non-sense. Some things are beyond our full grasp in this realm. Reincarnation is real. Call me nuts but I know I was killed in WW1 when I stuck my head over the trench and caught a round in the jaw. Nothing glorious or heroic just another dumb kid getting his head blown off in another dumb ass war. It's a very long story as to how and why I am so sure of this and if you think I'm nuts now.... don't ask.:lol:

EDIT: Great story about your kid American, don't just blow it off.

Are you for real? That is very interesting and I'd like to know why you believe that. I won't just blow it off, I will talk to her later about it and will distinguish if it was a dream or not.
 
I can't really say that I believe in reincarnation but if I was God and had the choice I'd definitely send those who were taken too soon back for another round.

It's more likely hundreds or thousands of rounds. Most of us are slow learners;)
 
Fascinating. I'll have to check that out. Thanks. Now I have to go to work.

I wonder how this plays out when we go back to homo heidelbergensis, homo erectus, a. Afarensis, etc. maybe I was an amoeba before this life.
 
I believe in reincarnation because I believe in Karma. There have been too many unexplained cases of people instantly knowing people they have never met before to disregard it. Now whether you're here this time to receive reward or punishment is what makes it interesting, IMO. :mrgreen:

Greetings, Americanwoman. :2wave:

Good morning Polgara! :)

Yes, I like the karma angle as well. Sometimes when I've had a really bad day and I'm feeling sorry for myself I think what oh what did I do in my past life to deserve this! :mrgreen:
 
Are you for real? That is very interesting and I'd like to know why you believe that. I won't just blow it off, I will talk to her later about it and will distinguish if it was a dream or not.

For real American. I take this serious and I would not just discount your kids story as a dream. In the end though it doesn't matter, you and her are in this life now.:)
 
Why would that limit the number of individual souls existing?

That would involve a creation of energy... And since there is no conception of a means of "creating" energy... That means that the universe is NOT infinite, enormous but not Infinite. That is unless energy creation is something beyond the scope of our understanding.

When you are dealing with myth making, you get to make it up as you go along. Some of the souls in bodies today could be on their first ride. In fact, that is all that your math compels: If reincarnation is true, then many people living today are on their first incarnation.

Well, that's also presuming that the previous life was human... Also consider; that if all life forms possess a soul, then just on earth there would need to be a pool of x10^20-30 souls around.

Then in the scale of the universe there could be another 10^100's of other planets with life...

It is very hard to disprove through logic things which cannot be studied objectively.

Edited: I see that this line of reasoning has already been pursued.

What precludes this from being studied objectively??
 
Do you believe in it? I think it can be possible - I mean why not, anything is really.


This morning I just got a little freaked out when my five year old started saying some stuff that was a little out there. She has never done or said anything like this before but this morning as we were getting ready to leave she suddenly said to me "I remember before I was born to you" I was alittle rushed this morning and it caught me off guard so I asked her what and she said "I was in heaven but before that I got all scratched up and died. I had cuts on my face" That stopped me and I said what happened. She looked alittle confused and said again she got scratched on her face. Then she said she remembered her eyes turning to brown and I asked her what color were they and she took her finger and kinda swept over them and said that she doesn't know only that they turned to black then brown in heaven. So I was kinda freaked then and asked her where she heard this stuff because I figured maybe she heard something or someone talk about something but she says she didn't hear it, that it happened to her before she was a baby with me. At that point we really had to get going so I couldn't talk to her more about it but it made me wonder and think, could she be saying the truth? I'd like to think she heard it somewhere or imagining things but isn't there a chance of reincarnation being possible?

I believe reincarnation is possible - as you say, anything's possible.

But I think your daughter's "story" in some ways demonstrates why courts are now far more leary about accepting and crediting testimony of young children when it comes to sexual assault and abuse. There minds are very fertile, imaginations remarkable, and every thought seems incredibly real to them. This is not to say that your daughter's story is fantasy or that abused children can't relay the truth, just that the minds of young children are not well understood.
 
Through a Glass Darkly
by Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.

Through the travail of the ages,
Midst the pomp and toil of war,
Have I fought and strove and perished
Countless times upon this star.

In the form of many people
In all panoplies of time
Have I seen the luring vision
Of the Victory Maid, sublime.

I have battled for fresh mammoth,
I have warred for pastures new,
I have listed to the whispers
When the race trek instinct grew.

I have known the call to battle
In each changeless changing shape
From the high souled voice of conscience
To the beastly lust for rape.

I have sinned and I have suffered,
Played the hero and the knave;
Fought for belly, shame, or country,
And for each have found a grave.

I cannot name my battles
For the visions are not clear,
Yet, I see the twisted faces
And I feel the rending spear.

Perhaps I stabbed our Saviour
In His sacred helpless side.
Yet, I've called His name in blessing
When after times I died.

In the dimness of the shadows
Where we hairy heathens warred,
I can taste in thought the lifeblood;
We used teeth before the sword.

While in later clearer vision
I can sense the coppery sweat,
Feel the pikes grow wet and slippery
When our Phalanx, Cyrus met.

Hear the rattle of the harness
Where the Persian darts bounced clear,
See their chariots wheel in panic
From the Hoplite's leveled spear.

See the goal grow monthly longer,
Reaching for the walls of Tyre.
Hear the crash of tons of granite,
Smell the quenchless eastern fire.

Still more clearly as a Roman,
Can I see the Legion close,
As our third rank moved in forward
And the short sword found our foes.

Once again I feel the anguish
Of that blistering treeless plain
When the Parthian showered death bolts,
And our discipline was in vain.

I remember all the suffering
Of those arrows in my neck.
Yet, I stabbed a grinning savage
As I died upon my back.

Once again I smell the heat sparks
When my Flemish plate gave way
And the lance ripped through my entrails
As on Crecy's field I lay.

In the windless, blinding stillness
Of the glittering tropic sea
I can see the bubbles rising
Where we set the captives free.

Midst the spume of half a tempest
I have heard the bulwarks go
When the crashing, point blank round shot
Sent destruction to our foe.

I have fought with gun and cutlass
On the red and slippery deck
With all Hell aflame within me
And a rope around my neck.

And still later as a General
Have I galloped with Murat
When we laughed at death and numbers
Trusting in the Emperor's Star.

Till at last our star faded,
And we shouted to our doom
Where the sunken road of Ohein
Closed us in it's quivering gloom.

So but now with Tanks a'clatter
Have I waddled on the foe
Belching death at twenty paces,
By the star shell's ghastly glow.

So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

And I see not in my blindness
What the objects were I wrought,
But as God rules o'er our bickerings
It was through His will I fought.

So forever in the future,
Shall I battle as of yore,
Dying to be born a fighter,
But to die again, once more.
 
That would involve a creation of energy... And since there is no conception of a means of "creating" energy... That means that the universe is NOT infinite, enormous but not Infinite. That is unless energy creation is something beyond the scope of our understanding.

It wouldn't necessarily involve a creation of energy, but merely a change in form and expression.
 
I believe reincarnation is possible - as you say, anything's possible.

But I think your daughter's "story" in some ways demonstrates why courts are now far more leary about accepting and crediting testimony of young children when it comes to sexual assault and abuse. There minds are very fertile, imaginations remarkable, and every thought seems incredibly real to them. This is not to say that your daughter's story is fantasy or that abused children can't relay the truth, just that the minds of young children are not well understood.


That is very true, who knows where or what she heard that may have put something in her head. It's very important for kids to understand reality vs fantasy, which is even harder because it seems like everything that is geared toward children is some kind of fantasy.
 
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