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Michael Vick: The problem of forgiveness and intrinsic value [W:251]

So you support rape racks for dogs?

No, I just don't care because we are talking about something that is content eating it's own ****
 
Ever seen 2 girls, 1 cup?

you're trying to draw a comparison between an extreme outlier and a general state. Not to mention overlooking the psychological and free will aspects of rape that don't simply exist with animals.
 
The pig which provides the bacon people don't really need also could not give it's consent, nor did the chicken whose eggs were stolen to round out breakfast. The dogs were bred for fighting, like the chicken and pig were bred for eating.

The humans on the gridiron may be giving their consent, but watching them crippling each other is no less animalistic than what Vick did.
Slaughtered animals for consumption are supposed to be killed in a humane manner.
People who fight dogs, and I know plenty, are worthless scum.
THEY cant fight, yet they are all about having their dogs do it for them.
You really need to come on down and see what happens at a dog fight before you make comparisons between cows and dogs.
 
you're trying to draw a comparison between an extreme outlier and a general state. Not to mention overlooking the psychological and free will aspects of rape that don't simply exist with animals.

Dogs don't normally eat their own poo.

You don't think that animals choose their mates?
 
you do understand humans are capable of higher thought and free will?

Well...think of the dogs being thrown into a pit and/or slammed against a wall as "God's Will".
 
Slaughtered animals for consumption are supposed to be killed in a humane manner.
People who fight dogs, and I know plenty, are worthless scum.
THEY cant fight, yet they are all about having their dogs do it for them.
You really need to come on down and see what happens at a dog fight before you make comparisons between cows and dogs.

I wouldn't go see a dog fight. And, I'm glad Vick went to jail for running a dog fighting kennel. But, I'm fine with accepting his redemption the minute he completed his sentence.
 
I don't watch football for the injuries and blood. It's a byproduct of the sport.
Dog fighting and football share more in common than you are comfortable admitting. I understand that. Both are tests of strength and toughness with ugly outcomes.


What do you call being bred against their will?

Maybe you have never seen one.

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Uh, female dogs are always bred against their will. They go in heat and they are bred whether they want to be or not. If they are not in heat, no point in breeding them.

You're not really up to speed on animal husbandry are you?
 
I don't have a problem with Vick being charged and imprisoned for his crimes. I don't have a problem with people being outraged by dog fighting. I do have a problem with th efact that our society appears to be more outraged, and creates harsher punishments, for someone like Vick for his crimes than they do for someone like Donte Stallworth and his crimes.

Donte Stallworth killed a human being through an act of pure negligence and he only served 24 days in jail for it. Vick served 548 days for killing dogs. There's something inherently wrong with a society where that particular discrepancy can exist. There's something inherently wrong with a society that is more outraged by Vick's crime than Stallworth's.
 
I don't have a problem with Vick being charged and imprisoned for his crimes. I don't have a problem with people being outraged by dog fighting. I do have a problem with th efact that our society appears to be more outraged, and creates harsher punishments, for someone like Vick for his crimes than they do for someone like Donte Stallworth and his crimes.

Donte Stallworth killed a human being through an act of pure negligence and he only served 24 days in jail for it. Vick served 548 days for killing dogs. There's something inherently wrong with a society where that particular discrepancy can exist. There's something inherently wrong with a society that is more outraged by Vick's crime than Stallworth's.
Stallworths plea deal was also to provide resitution to his victims family.
They are not going to get a penny if he sits in jail.
Also, yes he as negligent. But so was his victim. Read the whole story.
 
Dogs don't normally eat their own poo.

You don't think that animals choose their mates?

Well...think of the dogs being thrown into a pit and/or slammed against a wall as "God's Will".

Yeah, this is basically an argument between two extremes who lack any ability to take their views in context or logically critique them. You two have fun
 
I don't have a problem with Vick being charged and imprisoned for his crimes. I don't have a problem with people being outraged by dog fighting. I do have a problem with th efact that our society appears to be more outraged, and creates harsher punishments, for someone like Vick for his crimes than they do for someone like Donte Stallworth and his crimes.

Donte Stallworth killed a human being through an act of pure negligence and he only served 24 days in jail for it. Vick served 548 days for killing dogs. There's something inherently wrong with a society where that particular discrepancy can exist. There's something inherently wrong with a society that is more outraged by Vick's crime than Stallworth's.

24 days is a crime. There are lots of inequities in our justice system.
 
Yeah, this is basically an argument between two extremes who lack any ability to take their views in context or logically critique them. You two have fun

A female can fight off a dog she doesn't want to mate with.
 
Stallworths plea deal was also to provide resitution to his victims family.
They are not going to get a penny if he sits in jail.
Also, yes he as negligent. But so was his victim. Read the whole story.

Driving while intoxicated is not mitigated by what the victim does. He should have been forced to give restitution AND served more time in jail.
 
Driving while intoxicated is not mitigated by what the victim does. He should have been forced to give restitution AND served more time in jail.

How was he going to do that?
And yes it is a mitigating circumstance. Just ask Billy Lane.
 
24 days is a crime. There are lots of inequities in our justice system.

True, there are tons of them. But this particular inequity is a product of our general valuation of human life as compared to canine life as a society. We, as a society, have become so jaded to human death that we are less outraged by it than we are about animal deaths. That's a problem.
 
A female can fight off a dog she doesn't want to mate with.

You're responding to a post highlighting the fact that both extremes here seem to lack all ability to differentiate an animal from a human by stil;l ignoring the differences between an animal and human

Basically: Derp
 
You're responding to a post highlighting the fact that both extremes here seem to lack all ability to differentiate an animal from a human by stil;l ignoring the differences between an animal and human

Basically: Derp

Where did you get that people can't differentiate?

Does that make you feel better to make that up?
 
:prof Drunk jaywalking < drunk driving.
Not how things work and you know it.
Both were drunk, both lead to the mans death. Only think Stallworth could do is play ball and pay restitution, or would you rather he just sit in jail and the family not get a dime.
 
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