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Can't be wrong...

I did not think you are like arab people . this matter happens with arab people
 
I'm always right. That's undebatable. LOL!

Seriously, I try very hard to not become emotionally invested in any of these so called debates. I do not recognize winning or losing as there is nothing to lose or win. Just keystrokes in the wind. I participate for entertainment purposes only.
 
Amadeus said:
A debate is won on the merits of the argument(s), not who gets the last word or walks away in disgust. Ultimately it depends on the perspective of the observer. There was one person in a recent gun control debate who thought that my arguments were completely incoherent. Such a viewpoint is beyond my control.

My ego is seldom tied up in any debate, and I frequently concede points that are well-made and supported by evidence.
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I would agree with this and am similar, though I find that people so far [I've only been posting here for a little over a week] in these forums are reluctant to cite their sources and often call my refusal to continue a discussion without facts as a victory for themselves. I'm still getting acquainted with this forum community though, so I hope I'll find that is not typical with posters.

I posted on a different forum site for almost 3 years, and I usually conceded to supported arguments/discussions, and like MaggieD tend to use forum discussion for my own personal gain where I have found I explore my stance on topics more in-depth and am better able to form informed decisions by the standard I place on myself to research and present supported arguments.
 
SassySmartie said:
I would agree with this and am similar, though I find that people so far [I've only been posting here for a little over a week] in these forums are reluctant to cite their sources and often call my refusal to continue a discussion without facts as a victory for themselves. I'm still getting acquainted with this forum community though, so I hope I'll find that is not typical with posters.

I posted on a different forum site for almost 3 years, and I usually conceded to supported arguments/discussions, and like MaggieD tend to use forum discussion for my own personal gain where I have found I explore my stance on topics more in-depth and am better able to form informed decisions by the standard I place on myself to research and present supported arguments.
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I very rarely use links to support my opinions as I don't rely on others for the beliefs I hold...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I very rarely use links to support my opinions as I don't rely on others for the beliefs I hold...
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:roll: We all exist in a society and culture and community which means that all of our "beliefs" and opinions are based in part on our experience of the world and the way we view situations/subjects of discussion/morals/opinions, etc are affected very much by our family, community and culture. That being said, I prefer to rely on facts, and statistics to help me have informed opinions rather than emotional opinions based on bias and colored by the lens of my experience. I try to keep my opinions and beliefs based in facts.
 
SassySmartie said:
:roll: We all exist in a society and culture and community which means that all of our "beliefs" and opinions are based in part on our experience of the world and the way we view situations/subjects of discussion/morals/opinions, etc are affected very much by our family, community and culture. That being said, I prefer to rely on facts, and statistics to help me have informed opinions rather than emotional opinions based on bias and colored by the lens of my experience. I try to keep my opinions and beliefs based in facts.
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The facts one chooses to accept usually align with their beliefs. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be well read and observant of all sides in an argument before making a decision, but I find it rather useless to use others to support my posts on a political discussion forum...
 
“Most people are not prepared to have their minds changed," he said. "And I think they know in their hearts that other people are just the same, and one of the reasons people become angry when they argue is that they realize just that, as they trot out their excuses."

"Excuses, eh?" Well, if this ain't cynicism, what is?" Erens snorted.

"Yes, excuses," he said, with what Erens thought might just have been a trace of bitterness. "I strongly suspect the things people believe in are usually just what they instinctively feel is right; the excuses, the justifications, the things you're supposed to argue about, come later. They're the least important part of the belief. That's why you can destroy them, win an argument, prove the other person wrong, and still they believe what they did in the first place." He looked at Erens. "You've attacked the wrong thing.”
― Iain M. Banks, Use of Weapons
 
AlabamaPaul said:
The facts one chooses to accept usually align with their beliefs. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be well read and observant of all sides in an argument before making a decision, but I find it rather useless to use others to support my posts on a political discussion forum...
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"Use others"? I dunno, I think when you make a statement that is easily proven by an objective source, it lends strength to the points you are making as sometimes there are facts that are objectively true. For example the CDC compiles data that is considered reputable and objective, or the Bureau of Vital Statistics, and other sources that compile data, and/or survey collected data and organize it.

Though for the purposes of a discussion, I suppose you might be only interested in hearing others' opinions in which case there is rarely a need to just talk about your personal feelings on a matter. In my experience in online forum discussions though, I have found that people have a tendency to equivocate their personal feelings as some sort of proven fact, which is obviously folly, since for some topics there are truth and facts.

Generally, what I find unbearable is when people continually misuse logical fallacies in response to posts.
 
SassySmartie said:
"Use others"? I dunno, I think when you make a statement that is easily proven by an objective source, it lends strength to the points you are making as sometimes there are facts that are objectively true. For example the CDC compiles data that is considered reputable and objective, or the Bureau of Vital Statistics, and other sources that compile data, and/or survey collected data and organize it.

Though for the purposes of a discussion, I suppose you might be only interested in hearing others' opinions in which case there is rarely a need to just talk about your personal feelings on a matter. In my experience in online forum discussions though, I have found that people have a tendency to equivocate their personal feelings as some sort of proven fact, which is obviously folly, since for some topics there are truth and facts.

Generally, what I find unbearable is when people continually misuse logical fallacies in response to posts.
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I'm not here to change anyone's opinion, only to have an occasional rational discussion...
 
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