• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Holocaust of Christians in the Muslim World on the Horizon

longknife

longknife

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 25, 2012
Messages
1,385
Reaction score
501
Location
Sin City
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Conservative
longknife said:
FrontPage Magazine ^ | May 13, 2013 | Theodore Shoebat @ Holocaust of Christians in the Muslim World on the Horizon | FrontPage Magazine

While this article deals with Sudan, similar efforts are underway in almost ever Muslim country to destroy Christian churches and detain, deport, or simply kill Christians who refuse to accept Islam. Yet, our MSM ignores this.

And there's more @ The Muslim War on Christianity | Power Line
Click to expand...

I really don't think this is a philosophical discussion.

But for the sake of feeding the fire: NO. IT IS NOT A GODDAMNED HOLOCAUST. Once Al-Bashir starts systematically rounding up and executing Christians, then yes it will be a Holocaust. While his actions are not agreeable, it is not a genocide. Stop it with the hyperbole.

I would also love to see your proof that Christians are being persecuted BY THE GOVERNMENT in a similar fashion "in almost every Muslim country."
 
Juiposa said:
I really don't think this is a philosophical discussion.

But for the sake of feeding the fire: NO. IT IS NOT A GODDAMNED HOLOCAUST. Once Al-Bashir starts systematically rounding up and executing Christians, then yes it will be a Holocaust. While his actions are not agreeable, it is not a genocide. Stop it with the hyperbole.

I would also love to see your proof that Christians are being persecuted BY THE GOVERNMENT in a similar fashion "in almost every Muslim country."
Click to expand...

Well, the last time I put a thread like this in Religion, I received an infraction,

As for the assumption, there are daily reports from all over the world where Muslims are destroying Christian churches and condemning those who do not accept Islam to deportation, prison, or DEATH!
 
So, should we allow all Christians in Muslim countries to be given refugee status in the US?
 
longknife said:
Well, the last time I put a thread like this in Religion, I received an infraction,

As for the assumption, there are daily reports from all over the world where Muslims are destroying Christian churches and condemning those who do not accept Islam to deportation, prison, or DEATH!
Click to expand...

What I see in the article you posted is the GOVERNMENT of Omar al-Bashir persecuting Christians. Your assertation that there are similar efforts implies that almost every government of the Muslim world is doing so. I do not dispute what you have said otherwise. There are TONNES of intollerant Muslim fundies doing so all over the world. Hell, the United States was subject to one last month.

My point is there is not wide spread government persecution in Muslim countries, and even where their is (al-Bashir) it is not a damned Holocaust.
 
This is just like white gun owners comparing gun control to Jim Crow. There is no Holocaust.

It's really annoying when members of privileged groups perpetuate false equivalencies between their "struggles" and the actual oppression of historically marginalized groups. The delusion.
 
I mean, we all like a bit of hyperbole now and again, but ... jeez!

I'm going to sit in Mein Kempfy chair and watch this Lolocaust commence because, Anne Frankly, I think it'll be heilarious.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
This is just like white gun owners comparing gun control to Jim Crow. There is no Holocaust.

It's really annoying when members of privileged groups perpetuate false equivalencies between their "struggles" and the actual oppression of historically marginalized groups. The delusion.
Click to expand...

I see it pisses someone else off as much as it does me.

The hyperbolic assertation that low scale persecution is a being compared to the Holocaust is deplorable and insulting to the victims of the Holocaust and ultimately the world. The Holocaust was so large none have the imagination capable of realising its true imact.
 
This clearly belongs in the Religion forum. It's theist on theist action. There's no philosophy here.

But since it's here, how many things have declared war on Christianity. There's the war on Christmas, and the "new atheism", and Muslims have now declared war on Christians. Who or what else? Let's just get it out there so we know where all these supposed attacks against the practice of Christianity are coming in.
 
longknife said:
Well, the last time I put a thread like this in Religion, I received an infraction,

As for the assumption, there are daily reports from all over the world where Muslims are destroying Christian churches and condemning those who do not accept Islam to deportation, prison, or DEATH!
Click to expand...

A sizable amount of those are African internal issues where one side commits a crime (perhaps decades ago) and it's a tit for tat outside of government control. Nigeria is a good example of this where the government is trying to stop the North predominantly Muslim population and Southern Christian population from strikes on each other. They're not doing a very good job of it. Muslims will torch a Christian school. The Christians then bomb a Mosque. Then the Muslims attack a Church, so on and so forth.
 
This is total nonsense, you have tons of christians in muslim countries that are doing just fine, the countires mentioned are more or less in civil wars, and have tons of civil strife, of coarse you'll have opportunities for people to take advantage of that to do tribal or religious injustices .. but it's not a holocaust, not even close, and its disingenous for you to try and use that language for something which is no more than civil strife.
 
some people ignore bosnian muslims who were raped by some christian bastards
 
longknife said:
Well, the last time I put a thread like this in Religion, I received an infraction,

As for the assumption, there are daily reports from all over the world where Muslims are destroying Christian churches and condemning those who do not accept Islam to deportation, prison, or DEATH!
Click to expand...

you have been messing the concept of " philosophy " by starting such moronic threads!
 
ThePlayDrive said:
This is just like white gun owners comparing gun control to Jim Crow. There is no Holocaust.

It's really annoying when members of privileged groups perpetuate false equivalencies between their "struggles" and the actual oppression of historically marginalized groups. The delusion.
Click to expand...

you mean like calling people needing ID to vote a "poll tax" or equating gays not being able to marry with what blacks suffered in this country?

If people are being systematically exterminated for their religious beliefs, then "Holocaust" seems like a fair description to me.
 
Fisher said:
If people are being systematically exterminated for their religious beliefs, then "Holocaust" seems like a fair description to me.
Click to expand...
Christians aren't being "systemically exterminated", particularly in the way that Jews were "exterminated" in the Holocaust, so no, it's not a "fair" description. It's a stupid description that certain Christians, most of whom aren't even in the Middle East, use to maintain their persecution complexes and exaggerate their "struggles".

The "persecution" that Christians endure in some Middle Eastern countries primarily takes the form of institutional discrimination. Even with that, however, conflicts among Muslims are more pervasive and violent than conflicts between Muslims and Christians.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
The "persecution" that Christians endure in some Middle Eastern countries primarily takes the form of institutional discrimination. Even with that, however, conflicts among Muslims are more pervasive and violent than conflicts between Muslims and Christians.
Click to expand...

But we also should realize that Muslims do this to themselves too. Sunni vs Shiia. Alawite vs Sunni. Kurds vs everyone else. Turks vs Kurds. Persians vs non-Persians. Jews vs Arabs. Arabs vs Jews. It's rampant how everyone is discriminated against in the Middle East.
 
obvious Child said:
But we also should realize that Muslims do this to themselves too. Sunni vs Shiia. Alawite vs Sunni. Kurds vs everyone else. Turks vs Kurds. Persians vs non-Persians. Jews vs Arabs. Arabs vs Jews. It's rampant how everyone is discriminated against in the Middle East.
Click to expand...


there is only one nation in turkey as there is only one nation in america........ethnic nationalism is what teh west wants to see in ME

divide and govern policy never changed



we are so different from any middle eastern arabian country and everybody is treated equal by constitution

kurds are regarded as turk by this constitution


what kind of discrimination is this ?

they have never been black in turkey
 
I don't offend easily, but I find it rather offensive that anyone would appropriate the word "holocaust" in an attempt at false equivalency to anything short of a concentrated (and decently successful) attempt to wipe an entire people off the face of the Earth. Six million Jews were murdered during the Holocaust, more than a third of all Jews in the entire world. When anyone kills a third of the Christians in the whole world, and is intent on getting the other two thirds, then they can call it a Holocaust. Not until then.
 
longknife said:
Well, the last time I put a thread like this in Religion, I received an infraction,

As for the assumption, there are daily reports from all over the world where Muslims are destroying Christian churches and condemning those who do not accept Islam to deportation, prison, or DEATH!
Click to expand...

Because, um... Christianity doesn't have a history of doing that against other religions, right? :roll:
 
The MSM doesn't exactly well document the ordeal that Muslims routinely face in this country either. That's what being a minority is like, whether in NYC or the ME. Calling it a 'holocaust' isn't going to convince anyone.
 
RGacky3 said:
This is total nonsense, you have tons of christians in muslim countries that are doing just fine, the countires mentioned are more or less in civil wars, and have tons of civil strife, of coarse you'll have opportunities for people to take advantage of that to do tribal or religious injustices .. but it's not a holocaust, not even close, and its disingenous for you to try and use that language for something which is no more than civil strife.
Click to expand...
The "nonsense" is all yours.

Mideast without Christians - Israel Opinion, Ynetnews
Giulio Meotti / 04.18.11
And this is pre-Syria Civil war

This is the saddest Easter in the long epic of Arab Christianity: The cross is near extinction in the lands of it origin. The much-vaunted diversity of the Middle East is going to be reduced to the flat monotony of a single religion, Islam, and to a handful of languages.

In 1919, the Egyptian revolution adopted a green flag with the crescent and the cross. Both Muslims and Christians participated in the nationalist revolution against British colonialism. Now, according to the Egyptian Federation for Human Rights, more than 70 Christians a week are asking to leave the country due to Islamist threats.

The numbers are telling. Today there is only one Middle Eastern country where the number of Christians has grown: Israel. As documented in the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics, the Christian community that numbered 34,000 people in 1949 is now 163,000-strong, and will reach 187,000 in 2020.

In the rest of the Middle East, the drive for Islamic purity is going to banish all traces of pre-Islamic pasts. This has affected not only Christians, but other non-Islamic communities too, such as the Zoroastrians and Baha’is in Iran (the late also found refuge in Israel, in Haifa.)

The silence of the global forums, the flawed conscience of human rights groups, the self-denial of the media and the Vatican’s appeasement is helping facilitate this Islamist campaign.
According to a report on religious freedom compiled by the US Department of State, the number of Christians in Turkey declined from 2 Million to 85,000; in Lebanon they have gone from 55% to 35% of the population; in Syria, from Half the population they have been reduced to 4%; in Jordan, from 18% to 2%. In Iraq, they will be exterminated.

Should the exodus of Christians from Bethlehem continue in the next two or three decades, there may be no clergy left to conduct religious services in Jesus’ birthplace.
In Iran, Christians have become virtually non-existent since 1979, when Khomeini ordered the immediate closure of all Christian schools. In Gaza, the 3,000 who remain are subjected to persecution.
In SUDAN, Christians in the South are forced into slavery.
[......]
Click to expand...
And it's not just the Middle East.
Christians have been Persecuted and cleansed in places like Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Ethiopia, Armenia, etc.

Islamic Nations Slaughter, Enslave Christians
http://www.conservativetruth.org/archives/tombarrett/12-16-01.shtml
December 16, 2001
by Tom Barrett
THERE IS NOT ONE CHRISTIAN NATION ON EARTH WHERE MUSLIMS ARE PERSECUTED. Yet in 83% of nations where the majority of the population are Muslims, there is Systematic Government persecution of Christians.

This persecution includes imposing the Death penalty for sharing the Christian faith with a Muslim; national laws prohibiting conversion from Islam to Christianity; destruction of churches; and murder or expulsion of Christian missionaries. Even in the few predominantly Muslim countries where the government does not openly participate in the persecution, it ignores and even encourages illegal persecution by Muslims against Christians.

I spent hours going through the well documented profiles of the 46 countries listed in the report mentioned above. Of these, 6 did not have significant Muslim populations. Of the 39 with a strong Muslim majority, only 7 could be considered to be either neutral or tolerant toward their Christian minorities."..."
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
people want to ignore bosnian genocide
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom