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Healing

Josie said:
I thought I'd put this here since I don't believe in supernatural healing in the physical sense.

I have a friend who does believe that ill people can be healed through their faith in Christ. He believes that, like in the first century, followers of Christ can lay their hands on ill people and if they have faith, they will be healed. We spoke about this a few times for a specific reason a couple years ago. He believed that God's will is always for you to be healed of your illnesses and never to keep suffering from them. I believe that God puts us through things to make us stronger and no longer uses his disciples to miraculously heal people. I'm open to the idea that I might be wrong - I've never seen it happen.

Anyway...

This same friend was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer about a year ago. Throughout his treatment he was convinced that he would be healed. He hasn't been and is mostly like a few days away from death as we speak. I haven't talked to him in a very long time (he lives pretty far away and doesn't have the strength to email/Facebook anymore). I just wonder what he thinks about healing now.

Your thoughts on healing?
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Josie, being "healed" and continuing to suck wind aren't necessarily the same thing. If your friend is at peace with himself and with God then he is far more "healed" than those of us who look at him and question his faith.
 
Medusa said:
faith has a meaning if we believe without miracle or evidence
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I understand. Even if I do not believe, I should be able to observe healing in those that do. This is one of those faith areas that can be dangerous, but only in extreme cases of not seeking proper medical attention.
 
Josie said:
I thought I'd put this here since I don't believe in supernatural healing in the physical sense.

I have a friend who does believe that ill people can be healed through their faith in Christ. He believes that, like in the first century, followers of Christ can lay their hands on ill people and if they have faith, they will be healed. We spoke about this a few times for a specific reason a couple years ago. He believed that God's will is always for you to be healed of your illnesses and never to keep suffering from them. I believe that God puts us through things to make us stronger and no longer uses his disciples to miraculously heal people. I'm open to the idea that I might be wrong - I've never seen it happen.

Anyway...

This same friend was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer about a year ago. Throughout his treatment he was convinced that he would be healed. He hasn't been and is mostly like a few days away from death as we speak. I haven't talked to him in a very long time (he lives pretty far away and doesn't have the strength to email/Facebook anymore). I just wonder what he thinks about healing now.

Your thoughts on healing?
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I guess I'm sort of on the opposite end of the spectrum. I don't believe that we should not suffer, and in fact, think that we learn and gain some things, such as understanding and empathy, through the process of suffering. To me, illness is a thing which spans more than the physical body, and also includes the mind and spirit. There is a mind-body connection, and some of the physical symptoms can point to emotional and mental perceptions.

We will not survive physical manifestation forever- it's an impossibility, but we can try to learn and gain understanding and acceptance of our physical limitations. As for healing, I am more inclined to thinking along the lines of "physician, heal thyself" as a philosophy, rather than believing in miracles. There do seem to be what I call miraculous events, where people go to the brink of death, then regain consciousness, and are changed individuals in all regards, but I don't expect this to be common at all.
 
I believe in miracles and in supernatural healing, but I do not believe that it's God's will that everyone be healed, I also don't think it always occurs as something miraculous. I know a few who are into the "health and wealth" gospel and they view every illness as Satan's attack and that God is going to always heal them in a supernatural way. I think they are wrong and their view of God is to be a magical gift giver that ends earthly suffering, that isn't the case in my view.
 
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Josie said:
I thought I'd put this here since I don't believe in supernatural healing in the physical sense.

I have a friend who does believe that ill people can be healed through their faith in Christ. He believes that, like in the first century, followers of Christ can lay their hands on ill people and if they have faith, they will be healed. We spoke about this a few times for a specific reason a couple years ago. He believed that God's will is always for you to be healed of your illnesses and never to keep suffering from them. I believe that God puts us through things to make us stronger and no longer uses his disciples to miraculously heal people. I'm open to the idea that I might be wrong - I've never seen it happen.

Anyway...

This same friend was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer about a year ago. Throughout his treatment he was convinced that he would be healed. He hasn't been and is mostly like a few days away from death as we speak. I haven't talked to him in a very long time (he lives pretty far away and doesn't have the strength to email/Facebook anymore). I just wonder what he thinks about healing now.

Your thoughts on healing?
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I have a really rare congenital hear defect with a prognosis of 4 to 5 years heart transplant or death. I'm 3 1/2 years into this and my ejection fraction (EF is a measurement of how much blood is pumped out of the heart with each beat) has gone from 10% to 47%. It really is an unusual recovery. I credit the seven different drugs I take everyday plus having the opportunity to pretty much sleep 16 hours aday for about 2 years.
 
Josie said:
I thought I'd put this here since I don't believe in supernatural healing in the physical sense.

I have a friend who does believe that ill people can be healed through their faith in Christ. He believes that, like in the first century, followers of Christ can lay their hands on ill people and if they have faith, they will be healed. We spoke about this a few times for a specific reason a couple years ago. He believed that God's will is always for you to be healed of your illnesses and never to keep suffering from them. I believe that God puts us through things to make us stronger and no longer uses his disciples to miraculously heal people. I'm open to the idea that I might be wrong - I've never seen it happen.

Anyway...

This same friend was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer about a year ago. Throughout his treatment he was convinced that he would be healed. He hasn't been and is mostly like a few days away from death as we speak. I haven't talked to him in a very long time (he lives pretty far away and doesn't have the strength to email/Facebook anymore). I just wonder what he thinks about healing now.

Your thoughts on healing?
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I don't really believe in it, there's nothing really there that shows anything power of prayer on the aggregate scale. I'll rely on science and medicine when I'm sick, not prayer.
 
Speaking from a purely physiological perspective it's reasonable that some people will have the symptoms of their illness magnified by the stress of dealing with their disease. It is therefore reasonable to believe that the relief of that stress through supplication to "the will of God" or whatever can allow the body to heal more completely than it otherwise would. In such a case it wouldn't necessarily be the "faith" that accomplished the healing but through faith the stress was relieved and the healing was allowed to take place naturally.
 
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