I know the first post is a bit grim and over dramatic (in some cases) but come on people I know it may seem like another world to you but the violence is real a lot of the time it's sectarian violence, in places like Nigeria it's Christians and Muslims battling it out causing death and destruction on both sides but if there are Christians who have to flee their homes to escape violence in pre-dominantly Muslim countries due to a strong presence from radicalized Islam then isn't it something worth discussing?
I thought so. I expressed a general fear and disdain for religious conflict, especially the wide scale holy war that the OP talks about, but I'm apparently a terrible liar because I won't blame it entirely on the Muslims.
Bull****! You have no ****ing idea what he feels about Christianity. Besides its against the rules t comment about another poster here at DP.
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I'll say exactly how I feel about Christianity. I don't like religion. Any religion. I don't like people making decisions based on who is a member of which arbitrary group. I don't like the violence that religions, especially Abrahamic ones, tend to incorporate so readily. I don't like it about Judiasm (the religion of my youth), I don't like it about Christianity, and I don't like it about Islam.
Since they derive from the exact same tenets and worship the exact same god, I don't tend to differentiate much between them. The differences are really quite superficial. I don't excuse one or the other for any reason. They also look awfully similar when one sees that fundamentalists of all three religions preach the same bigotry and hatred, especially of women and gays. They all denounce science and demand political power for their priesthood, who claim to speak for a probably nonexistent god who wants those specific people in power.
All three are false, and completely and utterly evil. I take a lot of exception when a member of one religion or the other tries to paint the others as worse. They're not worse. They're all bad. Equally bad. Some are in a better position to do evil at the moment, but at various times, each one has abused power that it had and persecuted, tortured, and killed.
This entire discussion came when I said that I, as a non-believer with no allegiance to Christianity or Islam, would like them to take their disputes far away from me and leave me out of them. Then Christians had to proclaim that their religion was not to blame for this conflict, but only Islam is. I'm sure that Medusa, for example, would disagree and blame Christianity and not Islam. The truth is that they're both to blame. They've been trying to wipe each other out for more than a thousand years. The rest of us are really tired of it.
Not really. But I don't necessarily agree with Paschendale either. I will say that Paschendale should have used the pronoun "I" instead of "We".
I can speak for damn self.
Apologies. I am really tired of it. I don't presume to speak for anyone but myself, but I do feel that my positions on this subject align with many others. I do not mean to put words into anyone's mouth.
Maybe it's time for some of us Christians to take up the challenge and show these middle aged barbarians what we can do and give them a real jihad.
This right here is an example of what my original point was about. There's been a lot of rumbling in this country about a religious war between Islam and Christianity for more than a decade. Bush was a proponent of it. A lot of military groups were proponents of it. They inscribed bible verses on weapons to fight in Iraq. Jihaddist Christians are no different from and just as much a threat to the civilized world as Jihaddist Muslims. Possibly moreso because they have the wealth and power of the United States behind them. Or at least they will if the secular majority of this country isn't careful.
OK Pete... Then you explain why he would resort to dishonesty to slander Christians.
Grim's comments are all accusing me of lying, and declaring that I have some kind of unreasoned hatred of Christianity and want to pretend it's something that it's not. Sorry Grim, I'm telling the truth. It's a truth that you don't like. Radical Christian groups in this country, like the KKK and neo-Nazis that Jmotivator wants to pretend aren't really Christian, employ violence all the time to kill those of different religions. Mainstream Christians use their power to keep fundamental rights away from gays and women. I've personally seen Jews do it as well, and I'm sure Muslims in this country do as well.
Most of the southern half of Africa is dominated by Christian countries that inflict just as much violence as Islamic Middle Eastern nations. They mutilate and rape women and girls for daring to be equal. They fight against science and learning. They butcher children because they believe god wants them to. The facts are clear. None of these three religions are innocent. It's not slander if it's true. That you are in denial of the truth does not make me dishonest.
As to my "hate"... I'm not sure. I hate violence. I hate bigotry. I hate the applauding of ignorance and the condemnation of learning. Maybe I even hate the people who do those sorts of things. I've never met a member of the KKK, but I might very well hate him if I did. I tend to find those qualities a lot more in the religious (Jew, Christian, and Muslim) than in the non-religious. I don't know exactly if that qualifies as hate. I think the fact that despite my arguments against religion, I still wouldn't try to take away the liberty to be religious means it's not hate. Maybe that's just my definition. I might say that I hate a few specific Christians for acts they have personally performed against me, silencing and discriminated against me for their religion. And some Jews, too. No Muslims have done anything like that to me personally, though I might say that I hate Al Qaeda and the terrorists who attack my country. But that's hating individuals for their actions. I tend to think that it's okay to hate people who do bad things for the bad things they've done. None of this changes the facts of what people do in the name of their religion.
And none of this changes my stance about holy wars. A holy war, like the one the OP and DVSentinal are salivating over, would be the most awful thing that could possibly happen. The United States and Pakistan have nuclear weapons, and I do not want them flinging those weapons at each other in order to prove whose religion has a bigger penis.
