We're discussing Islam which is currently the most prevalent justification for organized violence in the world.
And at one point it was Christianity that were the big worldwide bullies.So what?
Both the big Abrahamic Monotheistic religions have a very long history of not playing nice with others and each other.
The question remains,"what do we do about it?"
A question that you had the opportunity to answer,and failed to do so.
I'm sorry,but singing a rousing round of the tune"Lets Get Everyone Here at DebatePolitics.Com to Hate All The Muslims" that's currently in vogue here just doesn't seem the answer to me.
If you hate Muslims,that's on you.I myself do not hate either Christianity or Islam,but I sure as hell not going to kiss the asses of their followers either.
If I'm going to hate someone,it not going to be about their religion,it's going to be about that person being a total asshole,or they are trying to hurt my family.
Islam as a "justification" is a mask,and I know enough to look under that mask to see the real problem.
It is human beings with the desires for power,wealth,and ego-gratification that are the problem.
Why don't we do something about them.
These people are a cancer growing in Islam,and if there is anything I learned from my cancer surviving surgeon wife is that you use a scalpel to remove a tumor,not a chainsaw.
And even more often when there is no religious motive. You could just as pointlessly blame "land".
Like I said before,that's a mask.I blame human beings acting on their desire for power,wealth,and ego gratification.
I personally have no problem with blowing Islamic terrorists of the face of the map.Sending a missile up the asses of next Osama's Bin Ladens of the world is a good thing in my opinion.
I have a personal problem with blowing away Muslems who are just standing around minding their own business and not bothering anyone.
Nobody ever claimed it was. But between the two religions it isn't even worth comparison of which spurs more violence in the world today.
How you choose your perspective is well within your right to do so.
How I choose my perspective is well within my right to do so.
If you choose to look only at today,or the last 1400 years, that's on you.
I'm not required to do that.
I'm looking at this problem from the dawn of recorded history through today.
And the question still remains.. "what do we do about it".
You can't equivocate "objectionable activities" and murder and call it a day anymore than you can claim that the KKK is as big a threat to peace today as radical Islam.
I grew up outside of Bogalusa,Louisiana during the 50's,so I know a thing or two about the KKK.
"Falling short of killing people" does not mean the KKK or anyone else gets a free pass to act like assholes either.
As a black,non christian American man with an atheist American white wife and a gay American daughter,I'm looking around my country and seeing lots of my fellow Americans doing things in this country that really have me concerned for our future safety and freedoms.
There are plenty of Liberals in this country acting like complete assholes.
There are plenty of Conservatives in this country acting like complete assholes.
There are plenty of Atheists in this country acting like complete assholes.
There are plenty of Democrats in this country acting like complete assholes.
There are plenty of Republicans in this country acting like complete assholes.
There are plenty of Christians in this country acting like complete assholes.
There is plenty of asshole-ism going on in this country.
So to all you American Muslims out there,please don't start acting like assholes yourselves.
We already have more than we can handle as it is.We don't need you guys adding to the mix.
I condemn what is going on in Middle Eastern countries.
I condemn those people using Islam to achieve there own personal needs for power,wealth,and ego-gratification.
I condemn those Muslims who are allowing themselves to be manipulated by those above into doing very horrifying things.
But I am not going to hate all Muslems in general just because there are those on DP.Com that do.
I have nothing but compassion for those Christians being persecuted in the Middle East and forced out of there.
But I live in the United States of America,and sorry,but I am far more concerned with the problems currently going on in this country.
Islam
itself just isn't even in the Top Ten List of things wrong with this Country.
But that's just my list.
If Islam has cracked the Top Ten in your list,jmotivator, of things that is wrong with this country,that's on you,not me
Let me know when they start decapitating people and blowing themselves up in crowds.
To tell you the truth,I wouldn't put it pass those one or a few of those wingnuts at the WBC to eventually do something very horrifying to other people.It's only a matter of time.
Those who commit murder in this country (regardless of race,creed,color,political ideology,gender or sexual orientation) should be punished for those crimes to the fullest extent of the Law..
Those who commit no crimes shouldn't.
Like I said,jmotivator,if you hate Muslims,that's on you.If you don't hate Muslims,that's on you also.
Christianity has cleaned up it's act. The rate of violence in the name of Christianity is very low and not condoned by any Christian religion.
I can't argue with you there.
But let me point out that it wasn't as if all of Christianity woke up one morning and decided to itself,"we are just not going to be assholes anymore".
Cleaning up Christianity's "act" was a very long,drawn out and dragged out process with lots of Christians kicking and screaming out "we don't wanna,we don't wanna,we don't wanna".
With lots of innocent people being hurt,(and some even killed) along the way to cleaning up Christianity's act.
Good for Christianity for
finallycleaning up it's act (lets try to keep it that way,shall we),but there seems to be a few spots here and there that they missed.
So instead of getting mad at people like me for pointing out those dirty spots,wouldn't it be better just to clean them?
What solutions don't worry you?
All of the solutions worry me,just some more than others.
I favor love,education and open communication as being the least worrisome,but those take a long time to achieve when there is a huge sing-a-long of "Lets Hate the Muslims" and "Lets Kill the Infidels" going on at all sides.
In all honesty,at 1400 years old,is Islam acting really any differently than Christianity did when it was 1400 years old itself?