Life without god

If God does not exists, then life is objectively meaningless.

If there is no God, then objective right and wrong do not exist.

If there is no God, what awaits at the end of the line is death. Extinction. Then life has no purpose. We just pretend and make up things to give it some purpose.

Lifes purpose is what you make it. You don't need a God for that. If a man gets up everyday and does what ever he can to help those who are unfortunate because it makes him feel good, how is that not some purpose?

tosca1 said:

If God does not exists, then life is objectively meaningless.

If there is no God, then objective right and wrong do not exist.

If there is no God, what awaits at the end of the line is death. Extinction. Then life has no purpose. We just pretend and make up things to give it some purpose.

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tosca1 said:

If God does not exists, then life is objectively meaningless.

This is YOUR RELIGIOUS opinion and doesnt effect me one bit

If there is no God, then objective right and wrong do not exist.

If there is no God, what awaits at the end of the line is death. Extinction. Then life has no purpose. We just pretend and make up things to give it some purpose.

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Depends on how you define meaning.

tosca1 said:

If God does not exists, then life is objectively meaningless.

If there is no God, then objective right and wrong do not exist.

If there is no God, what awaits at the end of the line is death. Extinction. Then life has no purpose. We just pretend and make up things to give it some purpose.

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Well I'm sorry you feel that way - because my godless life is very meaningful. Not only to myself, but to everyone else.

Wrong on all counts. And without any reasoning to back them up. My life would have a lot less meaning if I were nothing more than a plaything for a god. Instead I have free will, to live my life as I choose, without fearing punishment from a divine slavemaster. My legacy in this world will be 100% my own doing, not some cosmic waiting room in the sky. A temporary life is not without purpose, nor are right and wrong descended from on high. Everything about the OP's assertion is wrong, and it's obvious, or else it would not be simply an easily dismissed opinion.

tosca1 said:

If God does not exists, then life is objectively meaningless.

If there is no God, then objective right and wrong do not exist.

If there is no God, what awaits at the end of the line is death. Extinction. Then life has no purpose. We just pretend and make up things to give it some purpose.

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My life has plenty of meaning w/o one god. For me delineation to a single source point into the unknown is limiting into explorations of the unknown.

tosca1 said:

If God does not exists, then life is objectively meaningless.

If there is no God, then objective right and wrong do not exist.

If there is no God, what awaits at the end of the line is death. Extinction. Then life has no purpose. We just pretend and make up things to give it some purpose.

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I wonder if sheep or buffalo or any other farm animals have meaningless lives. Do you think they worship the same god as you do?

I am.

The "I am" experience is foundational.

Being, knowing, having, and doing -- the four experientials of life, of which being is foundational.

If two people both experience "I am", then they experience being, each as a separate entity, as they simply are not one and the same.

My being experience is such that I only experience being me, not anyone else. This has been the exclusive being experience related to me by others.

From my being perspective, I experience myself at the center .. the center of the universal existence. So do others.

If I am therefore at the center of the universe, how can others be at the center of the universe at the same time?

Yet, that is the experiential case.

The universe must be dynamic, and quite omni-everything, to allow multiple centers.

All my experientials tell me that I am alive.

Others tell me the same about them.

I would conclude we are all alive, and, if so, all parts of a universal whole.

That universal whole would have to be alive, as a whole, like each cell in our body is alive and constitutes a living body.

Each one of us has a name.

The universal whole has a name, too.

One guess as to its name.

The universal whole is both imminent and transcendent with respect to us, as like our conscious can experience our body as a whole or focus on a specific body part, so can the universal whole do the same, I would expect.

Throughout history, humanity has posited ideas to grasp a better understanding of this phenomenon of life.

We do the best we can .. but most of it eludes us.

Still, we believe, with our heart, we feel, with our soul, and we think, with our mind.

And, when we do, it's all pretty darn awesome.

tosca1 said:

If God does not exists, then life is objectively meaningless.

If there is no God, then objective right and wrong do not exist.

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Not necessarily. It's perfectly possible for there to be source of objective meaning that isn't your specific God, or indeed any deity at all.

Anyway, even if there is a God out there somewhere defining objective meaning, right and wrong in the universe, how can we know for certain what they is? The vast range of diverse religions throughout human history have only served to confuse the situation.

tosca1 said:

If there is no God, what awaits at the end of the line is death. Extinction. Then life has no purpose.

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Again, not necessarily. There could be some form of existence after death or a wider purpose to life, individually or as a whole, without requiring the existence of a God.

tosca1 said:

We just pretend and make up things to give it some purpose.

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Which we call religion . Of course, if that was working out so well, why would you be here questioning it all?

tosca1 said:

If God does not exists, then life is objectively meaningless.

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Not really.

If there is no God, then objective right and wrong do not exist.

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If you say so.

If there is no God, what awaits at the end of the line is death.

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Yerp.

Extinction.

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One person dies ='s our entire species? wut

Then life has no purpose

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Not really.

We just pretend and make up things to give it some purpose.

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Not really.

tosca1 said:

If God does not exists, then life is objectively meaningless.

If there is no God, then objective right and wrong do not exist.

If there is no God, what awaits at the end of the line is death. Extinction. Then life has no purpose. We just pretend and make up things to give it some purpose.

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You really need to speak for you own self,and stop thinking you have some right to speak for EVERYONE else.
Or at least ad the words "MY GOD".

It's amazing how many Christians here insist on committing the same sin that supposedly got a "certain angel" in deep doo-doo and kicked down to the basement...the sin of vanity.

tosca1 said:

If God does not exists, then life is objectively meaningless.

If there is no God, then objective right and wrong do not exist.

If there is no God, what awaits at the end of the line is death. Extinction. Then life has no purpose. We just pretend and make up things to give it some purpose.

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As a non-practicing Catholic, I feel comfortable in saying that when I gave up Catholicism I began to have a meaningful life. That doesn't mean I gave up on the idea of a God, a higher power we fail to understand or comprehend, but that I gave up on the idea that fallible human beings no more special than I had any inside knowledge about what that higher power wanted with my life.

Chaddelamancha said:

Lifes purpose is what you make it. You don't need a God for that. If a man gets up everyday and does what ever he can to help those who are unfortunate because it makes him feel good, how is that not some purpose?

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Man gets up everyday, for what? What is the goal?

What is the reason for life?

What about the universe?

If sure death awaits everyone of us....and everything....what's the point?

madman said:

I wonder if sheep or buffalo or any other farm animals have meaningless lives. Do you think they worship the same god as you do?

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If there is no God, then our life is no better qualitatively than that of a sheep, or a buffalo, or farm animals, or any other animals.

digsbe said:

Depends on how you define meaning.

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If we blimp out of existence when we die, then what ultimate meaning can we say of life?

If everyone and everything is doomed, then what does it matter that you contributed and influenced anything? What does it matter if you are a scientist who discovered something to the advancement of human knowledge, or you've done researches to alleviate pain and sufferings, or the President that managed to secure peace for the world? Why would anyone sacrifice themselves to better the lives of others?

tosca1 said:

If there is no God, then our life is no better qualitatively than that of a sheep, or a buffalo, or farm animals, or any other animals.

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You forgot to add the words "..in my opinion" to the end of that sentence.
Other than that,please stop speaking for anyone else but yourself.

tosca1 said:

Man gets up everyday, for what? What is the goal?

What is the reason for life?

What about the universe?

If sure death awaits everyone of us....and everything....what's the point?

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Reason for life? to me there is no reason. We're just "here". One day, we are born, years later we are worm food. And the cycle continues.

Why is it that we, only humans, and not other living things? The concept of reason is man made.

Paschendale said:

Wrong on all counts. And without any reasoning to back them up. My life would have a lot less meaning if I were nothing more than a plaything for a god. Instead I have free will, to live my life as I choose, without fearing punishment from a divine slavemaster. My legacy in this world will be 100% my own doing, not some cosmic waiting room in the sky. A temporary life is not without purpose, nor are right and wrong descended from on high. Everything about the OP's assertion is wrong, and it's obvious, or else it would not be simply an easily dismissed opinion.

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What do you mean by free will? Free will necessitates making a choice between right and wrong....good and bad....making a choice between two conflicting things, otherwise it's not free will at all.

Where did this standard come from that allows you to make the choice?

tosca1 said:

If God does not exists, then life is objectively meaningless.

If there is no God, then objective right and wrong do not exist.

If there is no God, what awaits at the end of the line is death. Extinction. Then life has no purpose. We just pretend and make up things to give it some purpose.

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Why is it "pretending" to have your own purpose? I find that incredibly empowering, to have some agency over what my life's work will be.

Just because objective morals don't exist doesn't change the fact that I look into people's faces and consider how they feel and how what I do impacts that. It doesn't reduce the importance of my ethos of how to live a good life. It doesn't make it any easier to look in the mirror if I do wrong.

Just because the universe doesn't care that I exist doesn't change that I care that I exist, and so do lots of other people. I am not so egotistical, or so insecure, that I need to universe at large to validate my existence.

And the apparent likelihood that I only get one shot at life just makes it that much more important that I make the most of it I can. I can't just wait for death so I can play chess with fairies on the other side. This is all I get. A spark igniting in a sea of nothingness. And I want that spark to burn as bright as it can while it's here.

Life without god is profoundly meaningful, if you have some personal empowerment and some awe for the fact that life exists at all.

I don't need my hand held. I don't need some cosmic daddy to tell me not to be a sociopath. I don't need someone else to validate my existence. I can do all those things myself.

And in doing so, in putting your life in your own hands, in taking responsibility and ownership of it, it becomes so much more important.

tosca1 said:

If sure death awaits everyone of us....and everything....what's the point?

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Yes, because if there's nothing in it for *you*, then there's no meaning. :roll:

The definition of "meaning" which limits it to "reward or punishment for an individual" is why many have rejected religion.

tosca1 said:

If there is no God, then our life is no better qualitatively than that of a sheep, or a buffalo, or farm animals, or any other animals.

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and i'll respond to that with: life is no better qualitatively than that of a sheep, or a buffalo, or farm animals, or any other animals. (this i agree)

We are humans and we dont know what kind of life animals live. For all we know, we are animals to them as well.

tosca1 said:

If we blimp out of existence when we die, then what ultimate meaning can we say of life?

If everyone and everything is doomed, then what does it matter that you contributed and influenced anything? What does it matter if you are a scientist who discovered something to the advancement of human knowledge, or you've done researches to alleviate pain and sufferings, or the President that managed to secure peace for the world? Why would anyone sacrifice themselves to better the lives of others?

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I dont look at it as being "doomed". I look at it as a natural cycle.

HonestJoe said:

Not necessarily. It's perfectly possible for there to be source of objective meaning that isn't your specific God, or indeed any deity at all.

Anyway, even if there is a God out there somewhere defining objective meaning, right and wrong in the universe, how can we know for certain what they is? The vast range of diverse religions throughout human history have only served to confuse the situation.

Again, not necessarily. There could be some form of existence after death or a wider purpose to life, individually or as a whole, without requiring the existence of a God.

Which we call religion . Of course, if that was working out so well, why would you be here questioning it all?

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You define what God will do....and yet won't call it God. :mrgreen:

We're not talking about religion(s). We are talking about the existence of God.