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Is stupidity and ignorance moral?

Rainman05

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So, lets start a non-religious bashing thread shall we? instead of asking stupid questions about God and who is he and all that, lets discuss stupidity.

Is stupidity moral? More so, is it natural? I mean, in the natural, unforgiving world, human stupidity would have been rewarded with nothing short of death. So why are we so infatuated with it? from holywood movies to reality tv shows like the stupid (jersey) shore... we are infatuated and promote it.

Are we becoming a world that encourages stupidity?

But that's not all. Is it moral to be stupid? In my country of Romania, there are numerous sayings. One of them goes like this: Do you know how it is to be stupid? It is like being dead. It doesn't bother or hurt you, but it bothers and hurts everybody else around you.


Like even on this internet forum, there are tons of threads start about the same thing about people, on very little to go on, start talking a lot about nothing. Nothing. It is stupid. I am not saying that the people who engage in such discussion are stupid, far from it. Because often, very intelligent people are drawn in stupid conversations.

The latest is this "has the white house threatened some nobody guy". In the span of two days, everybody that has been taking part in any side has been made a fool of.

And this is hurting the public discourse. It is hurting everybody. Because once you popularize a message, it is very hard for people to turn from it because their pride will hurt. And in this world, and in this day and age, having a wound in your armor can mean that you get cannibalized by the others (metaphorically).

I think stupidity is immoral, and anyone who doesn't go about improving their condition, from being stupid about stuff, to being knowledgeable, is immoral. What do you think? And no, don't bring the whole religion and atheism thing into this on the premise that religion preaches ignorance and atheism preaches logic and knowledge. Because I will destroy you. this is not the place for that.
 
What you call stupidity may be nothing more than idle chatter. It fills in time. It isn't harmful.

There is not one topic discussed here (or anywhere) that has any more point to it than "has the white house threatened some nobody guy". It's just conversation and I guarantee you that no matter how profound the topic, nothing about reality will change. Unless we actually plot and accomplish a mission, it's all just fantasy.

Sure, there are a lot of stupid people. There are a lot of smart people. So what?


Rainman05 said:
So, lets start a non-religious bashing thread shall we? instead of asking stupid questions about God and who is he and all that, lets discuss stupidity.

Is stupidity moral? More so, is it natural? I mean, in the natural, unforgiving world, human stupidity would have been rewarded with nothing short of death. So why are we so infatuated with it? from holywood movies to reality tv shows like the stupid (jersey) shore... we are infatuated and promote it.

Are we becoming a world that encourages stupidity?

But that's not all. Is it moral to be stupid? In my country of Romania, there are numerous sayings. One of them goes like this: Do you know how it is to be stupid? It is like being dead. It doesn't bother or hurt you, but it bothers and hurts everybody else around you.


Like even on this internet forum, there are tons of threads start about the same thing about people, on very little to go on, start talking a lot about nothing. Nothing. It is stupid. I am not saying that the people who engage in such discussion are stupid, far from it. Because often, very intelligent people are drawn in stupid conversations.

The latest is this "has the white house threatened some nobody guy". In the span of two days, everybody that has been taking part in any side has been made a fool of.

And this is hurting the public discourse. It is hurting everybody. Because once you popularize a message, it is very hard for people to turn from it because their pride will hurt. And in this world, and in this day and age, having a wound in your armor can mean that you get cannibalized by the others (metaphorically).

I think stupidity is immoral, and anyone who doesn't go about improving their condition, from being stupid about stuff, to being knowledgeable, is immoral. What do you think? And no, don't bring the whole religion and atheism thing into this on the premise that religion preaches ignorance and atheism preaches logic and knowledge. Because I will destroy you. this is not the place for that.
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,if one insists on staying ignorant ,it is both stupidity and immoral.........
 
According to which form of ethics.......i dont understand the logic behind stupidty not being natural. We didnt create stupidty , in fact one could argue its immoral to call someone stupid. Use the Phrases lacking in intelligence, isit immoral to lack intelligence....well not really, if you use aristotle's principle of impartiality you cant use bias to judge moral behavior. you may see them as stupid but who is to say they are not intelligent in other ways. would you deem a savant immoral if his ability is in something you dont value?
 
specklebang said:
What you call stupidity may be nothing more than idle chatter. It fills in time. It isn't harmful.

There is not one topic discussed here (or anywhere) that has any more point to it than "has the white house threatened some nobody guy". It's just conversation and I guarantee you that no matter how profound the topic, nothing about reality will change. Unless we actually plot and accomplish a mission, it's all just fantasy.

Sure, there are a lot of stupid people. There are a lot of smart people. So what?
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That was just an example of frivolity and stupidity. I didn't mean to offend anyone, I said, often times, intelligent people are drawn into stupid discussions.

Look. I am just saying that to be ignorant and stupid, ignoring things, choosing facts, refusing to accept reality, is a sign of stupidity. And it is immoral because it hurts those around you. If we were living in a technocracy or a dictatorship, no problem. But since we are living in democratic countries, most of us, the stupidity of others, displayed either at the polls or in any other public matter, hurts us all.
 
Rainman05 said:
So, lets start a non-religious bashing thread shall we? instead of asking stupid questions about God and who is he and all that, lets discuss stupidity.

Is stupidity moral? More so, is it natural? I mean, in the natural, unforgiving world, human stupidity would have been rewarded with nothing short of death. So why are we so infatuated with it? from holywood movies to reality tv shows like the stupid (jersey) shore... we are infatuated and promote it.

Are we becoming a world that encourages stupidity?

But that's not all. Is it moral to be stupid? In my country of Romania, there are numerous sayings. One of them goes like this: Do you know how it is to be stupid? It is like being dead. It doesn't bother or hurt you, but it bothers and hurts everybody else around you.


Like even on this internet forum, there are tons of threads start about the same thing about people, on very little to go on, start talking a lot about nothing. Nothing. It is stupid. I am not saying that the people who engage in such discussion are stupid, far from it. Because often, very intelligent people are drawn in stupid conversations.

The latest is this "has the white house threatened some nobody guy". In the span of two days, everybody that has been taking part in any side has been made a fool of.

And this is hurting the public discourse. It is hurting everybody. Because once you popularize a message, it is very hard for people to turn from it because their pride will hurt. And in this world, and in this day and age, having a wound in your armor can mean that you get cannibalized by the others (metaphorically).

I think stupidity is immoral, and anyone who doesn't go about improving their condition, from being stupid about stuff, to being knowledgeable, is immoral. What do you think? And no, don't bring the whole religion and atheism thing into this on the premise that religion preaches ignorance and atheism preaches logic and knowledge. Because I will destroy you. this is not the place for that.
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Who are you to define stupid? Starting a thread like this might qualify as stupid to some people. I'd go on, but I'm afraid you might destroy me.
 
Altenhof4Prez said:
According to which form of ethics.......i dont understand the logic behind stupidty not being natural. We didnt create stupidty , in fact one could argue its immoral to call someone stupid. Use the Phrases lacking in intelligence, isit immoral to lack intelligence....well not really, if you use aristotle's principle of impartiality you cant use bias to judge moral behavior. you may see them as stupid but who is to say they are not intelligent in other ways. would you deem a savant immoral if his ability is in something you dont value?
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Ethics has just one form. The correct form that leads to a better society and to the creation of better individuals.

Stupidity is natural, but in in the natural, savage world, stupidity is usually rewarded with death. It is impossible to find a human example today, but in the animal kingdom, stupid (and weak) animals get killed every day.
 
No offense taken or meant.

I'm just trying to point out that a)stupidity is subjective, not objective and b) it's not really harmful because of subjectivity.

Stupidity is like if you drive on the wrong side of the road because you can't tell left from right. Now, that DOES affect others.


Rainman05 said:
That was just an example of frivolity and stupidity. I didn't mean to offend anyone, I said, often times, intelligent people are drawn into stupid discussions.

Look. I am just saying that to be ignorant and stupid, ignoring things, choosing facts, refusing to accept reality, is a sign of stupidity. And it is immoral because it hurts those around you. If we were living in a technocracy or a dictatorship, no problem. But since we are living in democratic countries, most of us, the stupidity of others, displayed either at the polls or in any other public matter, hurts us all.
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specklebang said:
No offense taken or meant.

I'm just trying to point out that a)stupidity is subjective, not objective and b) it's not really harmful because of subjectivity.

Stupidity is like if you drive on the wrong side of the road because you can't tell left from right. Now, that DOES affect others.
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it may depend on what kind of stupidity we are discussing .if you drive drunk ,you may kill the others and it is a stupidity..
 
MaggieD said:
Who are you to define stupid? Starting a thread like this might qualify as stupid to some people. I'd go on, but I'm afraid you might destroy me.
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I wouldn't. I value your opinion too much :). Besides, you have never displayed signs of militant atheism or religious fanaticism.

Stupid is not a subjective matter. It is an universal one. I do not have to judge who is stupid and who is not. Society does it for me, as it does for you too. We have standards in every country for what we consider moral and immoral, smart or stupid. And they are pretty damn flexible standards. But thone universal one is, if one considers that he can pick his own facts and argue upon those, and chooses to ignore everything else presented to him, he is stupid.
 
Rainman05 said:
Ethics has just one form. The correct form that leads to a better society and to the creation of better individuals.

Stupidity is natural, but in in the natural, savage world, stupidity is usually rewarded with death. It is impossible to find a human example today, but in the animal kingdom, stupid (and weak) animals get killed every day.
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Ethics doesnt have one form.......... you said "Look. I am just saying that to be ignorant and stupid, ignoring things, choosing facts, refusing to accept reality, is a sign of stupidity." saying ethical thinking has only one form is in my opinion stupidity.....but thats the glory of it....its your right to say things and my right to view them as stupid.
now acting on a bias view of an individual is evil and immoral i dont think i need to debate that.
 
specklebang said:
No offense taken or meant.

I'm just trying to point out that a)stupidity is subjective, not objective and b) it's not really harmful because of subjectivity.

Stupidity is like if you drive on the wrong side of the road because you can't tell left from right. Now, that DOES affect others.
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Stupidity in a certain field, is as you said, subjective.

For instance, I am very stupid in the field of agriculture.

But there is one instance of stupidity that is universal, and that is the refusal to accept the complete set of circumstances and variables that accompany a situation.

Basically, if you pick your own facts, and ignore others, and you argue your statement based on those, you're a stupid man. If you refuse to accept other facts, then you are a stupid man. Or woman. It is not a gender thing :p.

And yes, stupidity can cause harm to people, including yourself.
 
Altenhof4Prez said:
Ethics doesnt have one form.......... you said "Look. I am just saying that to be ignorant and stupid, ignoring things, choosing facts, refusing to accept reality, is a sign of stupidity." saying ethical thinking has only one form is in my opinion stupidity.....but thats the glory of it....its your right to say things and my right to view them as stupid.
now acting on a bias view of an individual is evil and immoral i dont think i need to debate that.
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Yes, it does, ethics has just one form. The form that makes people better, more productive, overall happier individuals.
Any other form of ethics is a sham.

Now it doesn't mean that ethical people subscribe fully to all the ethical code or that succesful people are ethical. it just means that there is just one form of ethics that leads to things being good.
 
Rainman05 said:
Yes, it does, ethics has just one form. The form that makes people better, more productive, overall happier individuals.
Any other form of ethics is a sham.

Now it doesn't mean that ethical people subscribe fully to all the ethical code or that succesful people are ethical. it just means that there is just one form of ethics that leads to things being good.
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i dont think you understand ethics.....
 
Altenhof4Prez said:
i dont think you understand ethics.....
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... maybe we just see ethics differently.

I see ethics as the combination of morality, work ethics and a doctrine of mutual respect for people. All of which are glued together by a strict sense of discipline.
 
Medusa said:
he mentions universal moral values having an objective validity
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No. I see ethics as subjective to the culture that made them. However, I do acknowledge that one ethical system is superior to all else, and it is that ethical system that has produced the greatest result and breeds, consistently, the greatest innovations and people.

Therefore, it is that system that we all must strive to attain in life if we wish to be ethical. Since that is the key to achieving a better future, that is the universal one.
 
Rainman05 said:
No. I see ethics as subjective to the culture that made them. However, I do acknowledge that one ethical system is superior to all else, and it is that ethical system that has produced the greatest result and breeds, consistently, the greatest innovations and people.

Therefore, it is that system that we all must strive to attain in life if we wish to be ethical. Since that is the key to achieving a better future, that is the universal one.
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yes western civilization

universal ethic rules are objective..it is not a western innovation
 
Rainman05 said:
No. I see ethics as subjective to the culture that made them. However, I do acknowledge that one ethical system is superior to all else, and it is that ethical system that has produced the greatest result and breeds, consistently, the greatest innovations and people.

Therefore, it is that system that we all must strive to attain in life if we wish to be ethical. Since that is the key to achieving a better future, that is the universal one.
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if you see ethics as subjective how can you use a kathian explation to defend your thinking.....what works for one wont work for all
 
Medusa said:
yes western civilization
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No, not really, but close to it. The current ethical system that many of the western nations political leaders seem to enforce is not exactly what I feel is the best one for the world. The one I am seeing as a univeral one is basically combining the best of all cultures in different proportions. For instance, the current western model for treating your elders is not really that good. It is a failing system for them. I would rather think we would better employ the way the japs treat their elders.
 
Altenhof4Prez said:
thats assuming the world has objective moral standards.....
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yes it has .universal ethics is objective and it doesnt consist of religious and traditional values
 
Medusa said:
yes it has .universal ethics is objective and it doesnt consist of religious and traditional values
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But it is subjective between cultures....many cultures do things we would find immoral does that mean they are wrong?
 
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