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Evolution vs. Creationism[W:2571, 3239]

fmw said:
Natural law is the laws of science. Laws of physics, chemistry etc. Were confused about that?
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Yes because when I said that Presluc said no it wasn't.
So I have no idea what he means by natural law and am still waiting for him to define it.
 
KevinKohler said:
I understand the theory. What I can't understand are what I will the "kamakaze" survival traits, like being poisonous to eat. Unless there's a sign on you that says "poisonous", the only way to know is to eat it. Which results in a dead plant/animal.

There are species of salamanders, for instance, that have developed poisonous mucus/slime secretions. They are not brightly colored, and are in no way advertising the fact that they are poisonous, much to the chagrine of the many dead birds that have eaten them. Well, how did they come to be? How does being poisonous to be consumed enhance a creatures survival rate, if the only way to tell is by EATING them? And then, of course, there is a species of snake that has evolved the ability to eat them. So, did these two creatures evolve together, side by side? The snake eating the salamander, so that, as the salamander became more and more toxic over generations, the snake became more and more immune?

I'm not saying evolutionary theory is wrong...it's CLEARLY evident with dogs.

But I question the many holes in the theory.
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It isn't difficult to learn about this stuff. Try Google.
 
Quag said:
Yes because when I said that Presluc said no it wasn't.
So I have no idea what he means by natural law and am still waiting for him to define it.
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I defined it for you. No need to wait any longer.
 
fmw said:
I defined it for you. No need to wait any longer.
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Yeah because it is Presluc who I am talking with and he apparently has his own idea of Natural Law (a term that really has nothing to do with what you said or whatever presluc wants it to mean if you google it)
 
Quag said:
Yeah because it is Presluc who I am talking with and he apparently has his own idea of Natural Law (a term that really has nothing to do with what you said or whatever presluc wants it to mean if you google it)
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YOU can decipher what Pesluc says?? I am impressed
 
RAMOSS said:
YOU can decipher what Pesluc says?? I am impressed
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I can decipher enough to know that he has never defined his made up term Natural Law.
Pretty hard to move forward without that.
 
ashurbanipal said:
I'm not sure I know what a fact really is. Like all kinds of other concepts like matter, time, logic, identity, etc. it's something that makes sense as long as I don't think about it very intently.
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Lets make it simple fact you are born fact you will die.fact
As far me I like facts, thinking about what might be , what could be is one thing knowing what is , is a bit easier, how you know facts in any given situation maybe difficult you must mean seeking knowledge and research to prove indeed they are facts.
In the end you have facts which is well worth it.:peace
 
Quag said:
If nature was truly in a state of balance there would be no earthquakes or tornados.
Natural Law will continue to have no meaning until you define it.
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You seek perfection on an unperfect planet.
The balance of nature or natural law will never be perfect
That would be like me asking you for perfect facts of the big bang happening without using the word scientific theory or evidence or study or hypotheses just perfect facts maybe a photo?

Since the word natural upsets you so much try another word unnatural or not natural

Fish are found in the ocean that is natural, for fish to swim in the desert would be unnatural they would not survive
Camels live in the desert that is natural for camels living in the ocean is unnatural they would not survive.
The creatures of the jungle live in extreme heat
The creatures of the arctic circle live in extreme cold
The tectonic plates of the earth are held in place for now.
There are much more to long to list but there is a balance in nature or as I call it a natural law.:peace
 
Knowledge=power said:
Obviously I am a staunch evolution supporter and think creationism is ridiculous. However, some people are in the middle with opinions like "god started evolution" etc. I also am aware that some people still want creationism taught in schools, which I think is also ridiculous and deprives the child of knowledge.

Thoughts?
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I am an evolution supporter also. I absolutely think evolution should be taught in schools. Creation need not be. It's clearly not science. I do believe in intelligent design.
 
presluc said:
Lets make it simple fact you are born fact you will die.fact
As far me I like facts, thinking about what might be , what could be is one thing knowing what is , is a bit easier, how you know facts in any given situation maybe difficult you must mean seeking knowledge and research to prove indeed they are facts.
In the end you have facts which is well worth it.
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I have no idea what that means.
 
presluc said:
You seek perfection on an unperfect planet.
The balance of nature or natural law will never be perfect
That would be like me asking you for perfect facts of the big bang happening without using the word scientific theory or evidence or study or hypotheses just perfect facts maybe a photo?

Since the word natural upsets you so much try another word unnatural or not natural

Fish are found in the ocean that is natural, for fish to swim in the desert would be unnatural they would not survive
Camels live in the desert that is natural for camels living in the ocean is unnatural they would not survive.
The creatures of the jungle live in extreme heat
The creatures of the arctic circle live in extreme cold
The tectonic plates of the earth are held in place for now.
There are much more to long to list but there is a balance in nature or as I call it a natural law.:peace
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It's amazing how the water in a puddle is exactly the right shape for the hole.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I am an evolution supporter also. I absolutely think evolution should be taught in schools. Creation need not be. It's clearly not science. I do believe in intelligent design.
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Intelligent Design is Creationism under a different name.
 
presluc said:
You seek perfection on an unperfect planet.
The balance of nature or natural law will never be perfect
That would be like me asking you for perfect facts of the big bang happening without using the word scientific theory or evidence or study or hypotheses just perfect facts maybe a photo?
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Strawman I never said I was looking for perfection, I was looking for you to define your made up term

Since the word natural upsets you so much try another word unnatural or not natural
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Why woudl the term natural or any other term upset me? What I dotn like is ambiguous undefined terms.

Fish are found in the ocean that is natural, for fish to swim in the desert would be unnatural they would not survive
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they are found in water because that is where they evolved to live.
Camels live in the desert that is natural for camels living in the ocean is unnatural they would not survive.
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that is because camels evolved to live in sandy desrts. Fun fact in Brisich Columbia someone decided hmm this is a desert (yes there is a desert in BC) camels are good in deserts lets import camels. Only thing is it was a rocky desert and camels dont do well on rocky ground. The expriment failed.
The creatures of the jungle live in extreme heat
The creatures of the arctic circle live in extreme cold
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All because they evolved to survive in their particualar ecosystems
The tectonic plates of the earth are held in place for now.
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What, they are moving all the time, sometimes with rapid jolts we call earthquakes.
There are much more to long to list but there is a balance in nature or as I call it a natural law.:peace
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So physics and biology and if you want geology
 
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